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What Is A Man? What Is A Woman?
« on: January 29, 2009, 02:48:34 pm »
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What is a man and what is a woman?
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 03:05:48 pm »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women

woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man

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interesting choice of subject. I wiki'd it for you, or did you want my personal opinion?
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 03:08:58 pm »
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I don't want links, it's not an answer.  I want PERSONAL opinions of what makes a man and what makes a woman.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 03:48:15 pm »
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I Been Tryin to Figure that Out also  
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Re:What Is A Man? What Is A Woman?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 04:11:31 pm »
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Quote from: Damita Jackson on January 29, 2009, 03:08:58 pm   
I don't want links, it's not an answer.  I want PERSONAL opinions of what makes a man and what makes a woman.
Well, this is of course a problem, LOL, as opinions are usually based on some sort of "fact". I'd say that, in general, men and women (besides their different physical appearance) might be mostly different in certain types of choices and behavior. It is known, for instance, that the brains of men and women (on average!) are not completely "equal" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans for instance). As far as I remember correctly, the "driving" factor is hormonal differences (I work in brain research and recall that in one study they found that people undergoing a gender-change surgery and, as part of that, are given opposite-sex hormones ultimately show brain function patterns that show characteristics of the sex they turn into).

Completely besides research, my very "stereotypic" opinion would be that men tend to be less "fussy" about certain types of things, less attentive to detail (at least in general, in their specific area of interest they can actually be totally obsessed with detail!) and possibly can "suppress" the effect of emotional affect slightly better than women. On the other hand, women seem to be more empathetic (and are thus often more affected by their surroundings, which would also help to explain why women are usually more "social" and like to do things "together" rather than alone).

~grins~ all in all, however, differences are certain to be less "defining" than commonalities (things setting humans apart from other species, that is).

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 04:13:51 pm »
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For a moment there, cj, I thought I was in trouble!

Let me just clarify for those who are a little befuddled by my question.  If you have a vagina and breasts, does they make you a woman?  If you have a penis does it make you a man?
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 04:34:45 pm »
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Not necessarily (IMO at least). If you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguous_genitalia you might come to the conclusion that even if a person has, say, female breasts that doesn't necessarily mean it's a woman...

Actually, I think that the concept of gender (in our society) is, for the most part, a social construct that gives people a concept of "who they are". Imagine, for as long as you can bear it, you are neither. That (to me) is not very "nice" (if I try, I soon feel I want to belong to either of the two "acknowledged" sexes). Thing is, there are many (maybe very many) people living among "us" who probably are "seen" as male but also clearly show characteristics of "the female side".

The real question thus, to me, is as what does a person see him- or herself? For most people that is identical to what the "medical view" of the matter is, but for those where this is different, things can be very difficult, as they obviously are (sometimes) supposed to "act" in one way (stereotypical female behavior, say) although they completely oppose to it. Luckily, in our modern times, there are only very few areas of live left in which a certain behavior would be "completely off scale". (for instance, one of my former colleagues lived for a while with Swedish lesbians to study their behavior; they went on game hunting trips and my colleague reported that they behaved in a very "male fashion"; but all of them were, genetically at least, women).

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2009, 04:38:56 pm »
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I was watching a documentary on transgender on YouTube and saw some comments such as "You're a freak", "You'll never be a woman" (to a woman born a man, obviously) and I was wondering what people's views are.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 04:43:00 pm »
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Well, in that case...


Quote from: Damita Jackson on January 29, 2009, 04:38:56 pm   
I (...) saw some comments such as "You're a freak", "You'll never be a woman" (...).

I'd say that if that person choosesto be a woman (which she could even do as a "full-grown man"!), current surgical techniques allow (most) people to "become" their desired gender (physically, at least).

Whether or not that changes the person's "nature" (that is to say the way they live and are perceived by others) is a related but yet quite different question IMO.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 04:49:59 pm »
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But is it there physical appearance, in your eyes so there are no wrong answers [unless you disagree with me ]) that makes them a specific gender?

Like Thomas Beatie, born a woman, 'became' a man, but he didn't have surgery to give him a penis and he still has his ovaries.  He is physically still a woman but he is lawfully a man...ugh, I cannot word this right
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 05:05:52 pm »
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In my opinion, gender (as far as the choice has an impact on your daily live) is a matter of "being raised" (at first) and "choice" (later in life). So, if someone chooses to be a man then it doesn't really matter what biological evidence there is. Naturally, if it comes to "procreation", it does matter, but I would assume that a person who decides against his or her biological (obvious) gender, they are aware of that "little problem"...
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 08:28:45 pm »
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Interesting to read all your thoughts on this tender subject. I'm with cj you are what you feel inside
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 12:19:48 am »
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"I don't want links, it's not an answer.  I want PERSONAL opinions of what makes a man and what makes a woman. "


As I understand the situation ultimately it's a personal judgement call one makes for their own life. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2009, 05:47:01 am »
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What an intersting topic.  Wonder where this idea came from, Vic?

Personally, I think that you are, inside, whatever gender you want to be.  On the outside, I think it's fair enough to be classed as male or female, according to your body.  But I don't see why your brain can't be a different gender, if you want it to be.

It is hard to say what I mean, it's hard to phrase it.  I think that's what I mean, lol.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 11:19:33 am »
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Everybody is, on the inside at least, a little bit of both.

I think that everybody is a man and a woman, it's just there in different proportions. Some women are incredibly female, but they do have male things and some men are incredibly male, but they tend to have female things.

I don't think anyone can say: "I'm a woman and I never feel, think, behave like a man" or the other way around.

Then there is the idea of "what is typically male/female?" But I won't bother you people with that.


For the transgender thingy... I don't know, I guess your body is obviously an important issue in the question: "Are you a man or a woman?", since it is what we see first and what we base the answer on. Transgenders are different though. I think a man, born a woman is a woman, no matter the male body. It's just a little mistake, I guess
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