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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 02:06:46 pm »
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Can i ask you a question about your previous statement, Elizabeth?
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 02:08:05 pm »
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Ok, go ahead but is ok with me if you don't believe in ghosts everyone is entitled to personal opinion after all
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 02:11:10 pm »
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Oh no I agree, I'm not trying to change your mind about believing in Ghosts, that's your choice.

You say "you will want to haunt that place you died", now if you had died before your time, would you not prefer to go to Heaven rather than shuffle about this Earth for all eternity?
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2008, 02:22:41 pm »
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this is where limbo come into it, hang on will check meaning..

the limbo of fathers is seen as the temporary state of those who, in spite of the personal sins they may have committed, died in the friendship of God, but could not enter Heaven until redemption by Jesus Christ made it possible.

The Limbo of Infants refers to a hypothetical permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin.

Thus in 1992, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, while affirming that "the Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude", but also stating that "God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments",[18] stated: "As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,'[19] allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism

hope that sort of helps explain what i mean
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2008, 02:34:42 pm »
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But if you die and are in that state of 'hanging around for the final judgement' you have to sit by the gates of Heaven, not wander around Earth.
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 02:40:35 pm »
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I know what I mean just hard to explain it, so we will leave it there I think.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2008, 07:50:26 pm »
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What's 'before your time'? Who is to say when that is for you?
Surely the moment you die is your time to die... no matter how tragic, involuntary or accidental...
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2008, 11:36:28 pm »
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Quote from: tafika on March 22, 2008, 07:50:26 pm   

What's 'before your time'? Who is to say when that is for you?
Surely the moment you die is your time to die... no matter how tragic, involuntary or accidental...
I'll offer an opinion on this Tafika... I think 'before your time' could refer to being murdered or committing suicide - some form of death that was NOT chosen for a person by God.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 04:31:24 am »
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Yeah that is what I mean Lemta which in turn is why that person will be more lkely to haunt the place they lost their life so people would always know what happened to them and where.
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Quote from: tafika on March 22, 2008, 07:50:26 pm   

What's 'before your time'? Who is to say when that is for you?
Surely the moment you die is your time to die... no matter how tragic, involuntary or accidental...

I thought the exact same thing as you, I just couldn't think of a coherent sentence!

It is your time to die, by either accident or design.  If you are murdered, it was still your time.  We could all say everyone died before their time, but that doesn't make it true.
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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 05:23:24 pm »
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I understand where you are coming from Vicky, when anyone dies that is their time but on the other hand when the act of death is caused by someone elses hand or their own you could argue it is before their time, ie their life was took not through old age or what god intended.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2008, 06:47:02 am »
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But that is still their time to go.  You only die when it is your time to die.  And if I was murdered (likely) I would not spend the rest of eternity 'hanging about' at the place where I died.
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2008, 08:47:43 am »
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    * Samlesbury Hall in Preston, Lancashire, is supposedly haunted by Lady Dorothy Southworth, known as the "White Lady". Weeping is often heard, and her ghost has been seen wandering near where her lover was buried.[36]

    * Temple Newsam is reported to be the most haunted house in Yorkshire, with the most famous ghost being Mary Ingram, commonly known as "the Blue lady", who in her life became deranged after an attack by highwaymen. Ghosts linked with the more famous residents of Temple Newsam include "the White lady": this is said to be the ghost of the "nine days queen", the unfortunate Lady Jane Grey. She was executed by Mary I.[37][38]

    * Windsor Castle home of English and British royalty for 1,000 years. Numerous ghosts are supposed to have been seen, including Queen Elizabeth I. Her mother, Anne Boleyn is also said to haunt Windsor castle, and supposedly runs down a corridor screaming. Among those who claimed to have seen the ghost, who sometimes is said to be carrying her head, are King George VI, William Ewart Gladstone and Andrew, Duke of York

these are good to read and are basically of people who have lost someone or have been murdered.

I just looked up hauntings on wikipedia
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2008, 10:26:49 am »
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What if God decided that was how you should die? Why is it going to be something natural or accidental?

I'm very sceptical (is that the right word...?) about ghosts. What is holding the matter together? It can't just be someones thoughts that float about in the appearance of the person they were... you need some kind of solid matter to hold it together in my opinion, and when you die, that's gone, and so are your thoughts ('soul' if you will).
Your concious being is part of your body, and it all dies together.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2008, 10:33:13 am »
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Agree (once again) with you, Tafika.

I don't believe that after you die you soul would hang around on Earth, especially where you died.  When you die, you don't have unfinished business to attend to.  Your dead, all the stuff from this life is over for you.
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