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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2005, 04:10:14 pm »
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Weed only makes you hallucinate if it is laced with something.  That's the problem with pot.  You really don't know what your dealer did to it to make it weigh more so that you pay more for less pot.  If it were legalized, maybe people would be able to get pot that wasn't laced.
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2005, 04:27:30 pm »
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Why did your government decide to legalize it?
To boost tourism.

Ow, come on ghey, I know you are the selfproclaimed resident moron, but really, you are more intelligents than resorting to comments like this. People who don't know anything about the dutch drug policy should pretend they do. That would make things a lot less confusing.

Now why they legalized it here: people often assume it was an out-of-contriol liberal gesture of the dutch government, but it actually was there concern about hard drugs and crime that made them come to the discision. The sale of softdrugs is very carefully monitored and adults are allowed a teensy bit of possession. I really should read up on this and how to put it in correct english, but it's after 10 pm here and I have class at 9 tomorrow so...

Anyway: It isn't fully legalised in the sense that anyone can sell and have it. You are also not allowed to use drugs in public areas ecxept for coffeshops (here those are the shops that sell the stuff) There is no way hard drugs will ever be legalised and we don't have a bigger drugsproblem than other countries.

Foreigners always assume that everyone uses softdrugs here or that mom and that allow it or something. I hate those exchange students who come here for the pot and think they are all cool and stuff. 

hope this thakes away a bit of the wrong ideas, but I'm guessing I'm not even halfway there yet.....

edit: ow my personal opinion? I'm not unsatisfied with the way things are going here. (in the softdrugsarea I mean) Now the harddrugs: I think they still don't handle that well enough yet. I don't think and hope that my government will legalise harddrugs in any way. I would be frimly against that
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2005, 04:31:04 pm »
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no , I think canabis should not be legalize . There would be to much more people than that would take them .

Yes I think that Alcohol is a drog ! And its much more dangerous than canabis !!!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2005, 04:42:18 pm »
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Sorry Miriel, that was my lame attempt at humor, but you have to admit, that it probably doesn't hurt the tourism industry.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2005, 04:56:12 pm »
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What is the fun of smoking pot that isn't laced? Does it give you the same kind of pleasure as ciggars? I thought people only took it because of the allucinations and the feeling of being light and happy. Do you still feel "light and happy" if it's not mixed with something? It is as addictive as ciggars?

Sorry about all these questions. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2005, 07:06:59 pm »
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Weed only makes you hallucinate if it is laced with something.  That's the problem with pot.  You really don't know what your dealer did to it to make it weigh more so that you pay more for less pot.  If it were legalized, maybe people would be able to get pot that wasn't laced.

Ahh, i didn't know you could lace pot. I knew that they mixed cocain with different chemicals to make it go farther... but i didn't know that the same could be done for pot. ... it's probly pretty evident that i'm not very knowledgable in the way of drugs. I just remember stuff from health class, books i've read, reports i've done... what not. I've never experimented with them, and don't really want to because of the stories that i've heard... but, yeah, pardon my ignorance.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2005, 10:22:28 pm »
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I'm sure some people like for their pot to be laced, but you never know what it's laced with.  Pot, alone, is pretty hard to overdose from.  However, you could get some really bad effects from whatever it's laced from. 
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2005, 01:22:24 am »
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Quote from: Ghey on February 27, 2005, 03:34:39 pm   

Although I don't think it should be legalized, I don't think it should carry such a harsh penalty.  I'm approaching this mainly from an economic standpoint.  When people are imprisioned for pot, it wastes government money.  Personally, it makes more sense to just place a fine on ownership of pot.  If there was a fine, the government would gain money rather than lose it.

The government thought The "three strikes" rule, implemented in the late 80's/ early 90's, would help bring down the big drug cartels. Unfortunately once the law was in place, only small time pot sellers/ users began to get caught.

It was one of those laws that worked in theory, but not in practical use. I believe they are going over legislation in order to bring down the numbers in prison for possession, but its a tricky one to get through all the 'red tape'.   

Personally I don't think It should be legalized. Even for medical uses. The smoke created by smoking Pot is just as harmful as cigarette smoke, so it's ridiculous to think that it would help in any extra way that current pain reliving drugs do.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2005, 05:16:02 am »
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Sorry Ghey, I usually can take a joke, but lately I easily snap at the things said here, because...well, let's not go there.

Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.

What I think is good about the legalisation of cannabis, is that there is way more control on what is going around and what is in it. I also think that because we don't get our knickers in a twist when you mention weed, we don't have so much of a problem with young people wanting to try things and ending up as junkies. You get enourmous amounts of information and education about drugs when you are young here. For most teenagers, it's about as exciting and shocking as secretly smoking a cigarette. It's the same thing as with alcohol. let me give an example:

When I was 16, a friend of mine ahd an exchangeprogramme with Canada at her school. I ended up at a party with about 20 dutch kids and the same number of canadians. There was beer. The Canadian kids completely lost it, started boozing like maniacs and all ended up wasted. Wich was after abou half an hour, because they get drunk after one or two beers allready. That was boring. In fact, a lot of tjose kids were as often drunk and stoned as they could. Why? Their explanation: We're not allowed it at home, it seems cool, we want to try it...blablabla.

Now you all probably think dutch teenagers drink a lot of alcohol and smoke a lot of pot. Not at all. Absolutely not true. I think we learn to handle it in a much more mature way.

NOTE: Don't think the dutch are pro-pot or something. Drugs aren't seen as harmless or ok to use. You'll get your ass kicked by mum and dad just like in any other country.

And I personally have never and will never use any kind of drugs.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2005, 07:17:01 am »
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Quote from: Míriel on February 28, 2005, 05:16:02 am   
Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.
Hm ... I'm not saying it was legalized because the tourism would increase, but I do think it might've helped a little. There are in fact lots of people who would travel there, because of this. I don't know where you live but Amsterdam is a fun city (with or without cannabis) and definitely worth a trip


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When I was 16, a friend of mine ahd an exchangeprogramme with Canada at her school. I ended up at a party with about 20 dutch kids and the same number of canadians. There was beer. The Canadian kids completely lost it, started boozing like maniacs and all ended up wasted. Wich was after abou half an hour, because they get drunk after one or two beers allready. That was boring. In fact, a lot of tjose kids were as often drunk and stoned as they could. Why? Their explanation: We're not allowed it at home, it seems cool, we want to try it...blablabla.

Ah yeah, I've seen similar situations and it's partly the reason why I think it should be legalized. If something's forbidden it becomes even more interesting and people just can't wait to get their hands on it. If you take drugs just because it's cool and use them whenever you get the chance, of course it will easily get out of control.
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Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.
Hm ... I'm not saying it was legalized because the tourism would increase, but I do think it might've helped a little. There are in fact lots of people who would travel there, because of this. I don't know where you live but Amsterdam is a fun city (with or without cannabis) and definitely worth a trip

? What is that with foreigners and Amsterdam?  People seem to thing it is some kind of sodom and gomorra with nothing but sex,drugs and...booze? In reality, it's just a city, like Cologne or Brussels are just cities. I don't know if you've ever been to Amsterdam, but don't believe those wild blabla stories people tell you, they're really making it up...

I live in Utrecht by the way, which is about the same as Amsterdam, but less touristic. I have family and friends in Amsterdam and go there often, but I actually like Utrecht better.    (btw:Holland is such a small country, I think three hours is the longest you can travel in one line in this country, without ending up in Germany, Belgium or the Northsea...Most people can easily visit any major city here so it's not much of a surprise I've been in Amsterdam often...)
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? What is that with foreigners and Amsterdam?  People seem to thing it is some kind of sodom and gomorra with nothing but sex,drugs and...booze? In reality, it's just a city, like Cologne or Brussels are just cities. I don't know if you've ever been to Amsterdam, but don't believe those wild blabla stories people tell you, they're really making it up...
*lol* No, I didn't mean to say you're all junkies who walk around stoned all day and I personally don't know anyone who thinks of the dutch that way, so don't worry about it  

I've been to Amsterdam before but that's quite a while back so the most impressive thing I remember is all the houseboats
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Drugs are bad, bad, bad. LOL. Well, that came out funny when I thought it up in my head, but I guess once you read it, it isn't, really. Anyways, I think drugs are bad. They're definitely harmful to peoples' health, and they sort of destroy a lot of families. That's probably the only reasons I don't think it should be legalized. Honestly, though, I don't see why the government doesn't legalize pot. They let people drink, don't they? I figure if the pot isn't laced with anything, it isn't any worse than being drunk. Both cause problems, I think. I've never been high or drunk before, so I really couldn't tell you, but from what I've seen of people being drunk and people high on pot, they're both pretty disoriented for the most part.
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2005, 12:12:57 pm »
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i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?
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lol, but don't you also want to do that to all the "stupid" people too? Cookies, are you reading go ask alice? is that what is making you so upset? 
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