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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 09:48:06 am »
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Quote from: Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} on July 11, 2007, 04:50:17 pm   
Dumbledore knows EVERYTHING...

If he knew everything, then why didn't he put Scabbers in a cage when Ron first came to Hogwarts and told him "Sorry Ron, but your rat is actually Peter Pettigrew, who betrayed your new best friend's parents, which resulted in their murders.  Therefore, I must take him away..."

Why did it take him so long to figure out that Quirrell was after the Philosopher's Stone / possessed by Voldemort? If he had known, he wouldn't have left Hogwarts that night, and he probably would've saved Harry some trouble by getting rid of Quirrell/Voldy himself.

Why didn't Dumbledore know about Ginny writing in Tom Riddle's diary?

Why didn't Dumbledore know that Sirius Black was innocent all along?

Why didn't Dumbledore know right away that Harry had been set up in GOF? Why didn't he know that Mad-Eye was actually Barty Crouch Jr. until the very end, when everyone else found out?

I'm trying to think of examples from OoTP as well, but they're slipping my mind at the moment.

Also, in HBP, yes, Dumbledore knows that Draco wants to kill him, but he doesn't know everything.  For example, he doesn't know that Madam Rosemerta is under the Imperius Curse.

Dumbledore isn't psychic.  He doesn't know everything.  So, it is possible that he didn't have a clue about the Unbreakable Vow or the fact that Snape would kill him if Draco failed.

one simple answer: He knew Harry and his friends would make it Haha I dunnow you're right.. but he knows alot though...

I really don't think Snape is a bad guy, I really think he's Dumbledores spy, to spy on Voldemort and the whole crew.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 11:14:58 am »
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Snape is a bad bad man. i'm set in my opinion. i've said before, if he ends up being a "good guy," i will rip my hair out. i hate Snape...hate. i love most of his sarcastic lines in the books and i love how Alan Rickman portrays this character on screen, but i absolutely hate the character himself. love to hate, really. 

i really have no theories on this, unfortunately, other than the evidence that is blantantly obvious. Snape killed Dumbledore in cold blood. JKR described it as "revulsion and hatred etched in the lines of his face." i guess it's my biased opinion of Snape that makes me believe this look of disgust had nothing to do with the fact that he hated himself for killing Dumbledore, he just hated Dumbledore.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 05:21:51 pm »
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Quote from: Storyteller ~RSF~ on July 12, 2007, 08:26:31 am   


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Certainly true. Of course, Ms. Rowling COULD have also used this memory to partially vidicate Snape for his cruelty to Harry, as well.

I think it's pretty accurate.  It's a fact that James and Sirius in particular were troublemakers and landed in detention often.  It's a fact that they disliked Snape and bullied him.  It's a fact that Sirius put Snape in danger and didn't regret it (when he told Snape how to get to Lupin in the Shrieking Shack during the full moon, without telling him Lupin was a werewolf) - he said that Snape pretty much deserved it.  Sirius called Snape "Snivellus" even in OoTP.  So, I don't doubt that they would have pulled something like that off.

If there were any slight differences in point of view, like if you had seen the memory from, say, Sirius or James's point of view, the whole memory would've probably been more light-hearted and fun.  Of course Snape's memory would be more traumatizing because he was the one actually being hurt.   

Also, in regards to everything Snape has told Harry about James and Sirius, in an attempt to portray them in a negative light -- I do believe he's telling the truth.  He just leaves out anything positive (the fact that James saved him at one point, or that he was good to his own friends), because of his deep hatred for them.  Harry is the opposite.  Harry, deep down, acknowledges that his father and Sirius were at some point the way Snape described them, but his hatred for Snape overrides those feelings. 

So, I do agree that Harry seeing Snape's memory was used to partially vindicate Snape for his cruelty to Harry.  Even though that lightbulb moment was short-lived in Harry's world, it's still something that has stuck with most of the readers.


Quote from: Moonlit Sky on July 12, 2007, 11:14:58 am   

Snape is a bad bad man. i'm set in my opinion. i've said before, if he ends up being a "good guy," i will rip my hair out. i hate Snape...hate. i love most of his sarcastic lines in the books and i love how Alan Rickman portrays this character on screen, but i absolutely hate the character himself. love to hate, really. 

I don't understand why people can just hate Snape.  I guess at this point I should mention that I have a completely biased opinion toward Snape because if there's one character I can relate to in the book, it would be Snape.   Although I ain't meddling in the Dark Arts and I have no intention of killing anyone. 

Snape was only able to find comfort in the Dark Arts and friendship in fellow Slytherins, which is likely what brought him to join the Death Eaters.  Snape felt like he'd found a place where he belonged and was accepted, as he wasn't accepted anywhere else.

Snape's behaviour toward Harry, his feelings toward certain individuals, his general attitude and most of his actions aren't acceptable, but they didn't just come out of nowhere.  I could go on about it, but I feel enough like a drone already.


Quote from: Moonlit Sky on July 12, 2007, 11:14:58 am   
i really have no theories on this, unfortunately, other than the evidence that is blantantly obvious. Snape killed Dumbledore in cold blood. JKR described it as "revulsion and hatred etched in the lines of his face." i guess it's my biased opinion of Snape that makes me believe this look of disgust had nothing to do with the fact that he hated himself for killing Dumbledore, he just hated Dumbledore.

The whole deal with Snape killing Dumbledore, under the assumption that Snape is working solely for Voldemort or himself,  reminds me of a line from, oddly enough, "CSI: Miami", when a woman who killed the man who raped her, who was her real estate agent, and went free for years (as someone else was convicted).  She said something along the lines of "Do you understand why I had to do it?" to which the response was, "I don't approve, but I understand what brought you to that point."

However, in this case, we don't exactly know what exactly brought Snape to that point.

It could be partially be a result of, as Snape said himself, the fact that Dumbledore always has to see the best in people.  This doesn't just apply to Snape; it also applies to present students, teachers, as well as old students and teachers at Hogwarts. 

I think part of Snape's bitterness toward Dumbledore could have to do with how, during his days as a student at Hogwarts, Dumbledore kind of brushed off the fact that Snape was being bullied mainly by James and Sirius, because he had to see the best in them.  Also, during his time as a teacher at Hogwarts, Dumbledore seemed to take him for granted.  Perhaps he felt like he was being used.  None of those reasons are an excuse to kill someone, though, and I also think it goes a bit deeper than that. 

Whether Snape is good, bad, or neither, he still had to mean it when he killed Dumbledore.  He still had to draw upon something.  I don't believe that you could kill someone with the Avada Kedavra out of hatred for the fact that you were going to kill them.

Nothing will change the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore, but I can't stand it when people view it in such a shallow way.
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2007, 12:55:57 am »
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There were posts about Dumbledore possibly actually being alive and I'm pretty sure that J.K. Rowling said that Dumbledore is dead.

I wanna hate Snape sooo much but he just cracks me up! He steals every scene he's in!! I can't help but think that Snape killed him becuase he had to but I could be waaaay off!
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2007, 07:32:18 am »
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To be honest, I didn't imagine when starting this thread that it would arouse such interest but I'm glad it did.

Yes, Jo Rowling has said that Dumbledore is definately dead and I beleive her. I will just be glad when the book arrives on my doorstep a week from Saturday. Then all qustions will be answered...hopefully.

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2007, 06:16:12 am »
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Interesting thread! When I have more time I'll read all of yout theories. For now just mine and my friends. We think Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him because he was already dying. You remember the infection on his hand, we think Dumbledore was already slowly dying and that he had asked Snape to kill him when the time was there.

That's it for now, I'll be back after vacation, lol, when all of you have already read the book .
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I don't think Snape is a bad guy although I don't like him at all he's in the go0d side and about kill9ing Dumbledore..as I said on my teory, he and Dumbledore had this killing thing as a plan and it's not real!..
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he's in the go0d side and about kill9ing Dumbledore..as I said on my teory, he and Dumbledore had this killing thing as a plan and it's not real!..
I totally agree But we'll see... in just 7 days
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Wow, only 7 days to go now!!! 
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haha my daddy promised me and my mum he'd get in Saturdaymorning, very early haha he's the best lol
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Quote from: Hogwarts Magical Girl {DA} on July 14, 2007, 06:29:13 am   

I don't think Snape is a bad guy although I don't like him at all he's in the go0d side and about kill9ing Dumbledore..as I said on my teory, he and Dumbledore had this killing thing as a plan and it's not real!..

I never really thought of it that way and it makes sense....like how he told Harry to do whatever he tells him to. He made Harry swear to make him continue drinking that potion even it was doing him harm
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2007, 03:01:42 am »
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Pamela Wow! I have to wait more for the translation...no english copy here 

Suzie Q I know all of the theory, (the complete one) maks sense for me... so I'm so waiting for it..getting nerveous and excited
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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2007, 06:11:09 am »
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Really Shayda? Aww I'm sorry for you... *huggleS*

Well I believe Snape is a good man, cause he protects Harry. He does all these things so keep Harry safe, even though he gets a little injured sometimes.
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2007, 08:44:01 am »
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Snape is, if nothing else, a man of great contradictions.

In the new movie, Alan Rickman CERTAINLY plays Snape as sincere in the effort to teach Harry Occlumency. I just can't put him down as totally bad. But most of all, i keep going back to Dumbledore's trust in him.

Can't wait to find out what is REALLY going on. 6 more days to go!

I've already warned my hubby that things will be REALLY quiet around here next Sunday. Alex, a good friend of mine, said her husband made her order TWO copies of the book so they don't have to share! LOL We have agreed NOT to talk about the book until we are both finished. LOL

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