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What about Snape?
« on: July 11, 2007, 03:27:01 pm »
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I almost didn't start this because I'm sure most of the fans here will think I'm as loony as Luna, who I happen to like very much, btw. LOL

I haven't yet passed final judgement on old Severus. I don't know...I know he killed Dumbledore in the last book and I DO beleive that Dumbledore is dead, but somehow... He DID save Harry, more than once. He seemed sincere when he tried to teach Harry Occulency. He gave Delores Umbridge fake truth serum when she questioned Harry.

But what really makes me wonder is the fact that Dumbledore trusted him. I just don't see Albus as that big a fool, or a fool of any kind. COuld there be MORE to this than we know? Sure there can be. There always is in HP.

I am VERY much on the fence about this, mostly because of my faith in Dumbledore, and he trusted Snape.

Something's going on here.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 03:33:14 pm »
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I like Snape and I was really upset when he killed Dumbledore. I would love it if it turned out that it was some kind of plan/secret thing going on so that he is still working for the side of the light.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 03:47:03 pm »
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I know. It suprised me, too I just can't help feeling there's something else going on. Dumbledore was the "only wizard Voldemort ever feared". There's no way he died because he was blinded by his own kindness.

DId you  see the HIdden Secrets special on A&E? VERY interesting stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 03:56:56 pm »
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I agree, Dumbledore is certainly no fool. You are so right, there has to be something more to this going on.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 04:20:53 pm »
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Oooooh you're so in trouble!! Wait until Shayda sees this haha no just kidding.

I, myself, believe that SEVERUS SNAPE is INNOCENT! I think he's good and he didn't kill Dumbledore. I think they played some trick and now it seems as if Albus is dead. I really believe that Snape is a good fellow, working as a spie for Dumbledore, spying on Voldemort and te Deatheaters.

Haha me and my mom discussed this all day long the other day and we searched on internet and we came across THIS SITE. It's full of theories why Dumbledore is not dead and I think they're all true. I can't imagine Snape is bad, cause in the other books he protects Harry and all... No, he might be a little mean, but he's deff not EVIL!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 04:29:28 pm »
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Oh dear, don't get me started on Snape.  (Oops, I guess it's a little late for that.)

Here are some theories that I've always come back to:

Snape has a reason for "protecting" Harry.  When he's trying to justify saving Harry on more than one occasion, when questioned by Bellatrix in HBP, he doesn't really have a good excuse.  I think there is an underlying reason as to why Snape has saved Harry in the past that'll be revealed in the 7th book, and I don't think it has anything to do with the excuse he gave. 

One of the more popular theories is that Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore to protect Harry.  In the beginning of HBP, Snape claims that he protected Harry because he couldn't kill him / let him die on Dumbledore's watch (since that'd look suspicious).  However, at the end of HBP, he completely freaks out when Harry is hit with the Cruciatus and yells that they are to leave him for the Dark Lord.  It just seems kind of odd that he approaches the idea of killing Harry so casually in discussion, like he would do it if he had the chance, but when Harry is actually in danger, he freaks.  Even if Voldemort did request that Harry be left for him to kill, that decision could've been influenced by something Snape had told him. 

Snape may be counting on Harry to kill Voldemort.

Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him (or some variation of that theory).  As hard as I tried to believe this one, it's based on certain lines of text only.  I don't believe Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him, but Snape had no other choice, if he wanted to survive.  The chances of Snape being able to fight off all of the other Death Eaters while trying to transport a half-dead Dumbledore to a safe place where he could heal him is highly unlikely.  Also, it probably wouldn't have been worth it.  Dumbledore may have never recovered fully (like with his hand). 

He would also have Draco to worry about, seeing as he made the Unbreakable Vow.  I'm still not entirely sure how the vow worked, but I was always under the impression that if Draco failed to kill Dumbledore and Snape didn't do it, then Snape would die.  It's either that, or Snape would die if neither of them completed the task, and Draco was killed. 

I don't believe that Snape told Dumbledore about the Unbreakable Vow that he made.  When Dumbledore was having a private discussion with Draco, I believe he was being completely honest with him.  When Draco brought it up, why did Dumbledore tell him that Snape was lying about the Unbreakable Vow to trick Draco, if he knew that it was true? He had no reason to lie about it.  Dumbledore just didn't know.

I still don't know if Dumbledore told Snape about the DADA teacher "curse".  If he didn't know, it would explain why he was so pissed off each year about not obtaining the position.  It does seem kind of strange, though, that after all of those years, he wouldn't notice the pattern -- certainly he's not that oblivious.

Dumbledore obviously knew that whatever happened that year of Snape in the DADA position, he would be leaving, but I don't think he expected it to be in that fashion.

Snape is working for himself.  Out of all of the theories out there, this is the one that I'm most inclined to believe.  Whether the above theories are true or not, Snape could still be working for himself.  He chooses his actions based on what will work best in his favour.  He wants power for himself, and he'd prefer it if both Dumbledore and Voldemort were dead.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 04:31:06 pm »
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Shayda's an intelliegent person and I can't imagine that she would object to reasonable speculative discussion. Wondering what's going on is the whole point, isn't it?

All opinions are welcome, as far as I'm concerned. I'm open to any theory.

I'll pop over to the site after supper. Thanks for posting it!

Hazy, wonderful theories all of them! I lean, when I'm in a pro-Snape mood like today, not that Dumbledore WANTED Snape to kill him, but that it had to be for some reason. If it did, you can bet it was to save Harry and perhaps more people.

The only theory I have completely disavowed is that Dumbledore's blind trust of Snape allowed Snape to kill him. Nope. Uhuh. Not in this or any other lifetime.
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Quote from: Storyteller ~RSF~ on July 11, 2007, 04:31:06 pm   

The only theory I have completely disavowed is that Dumbledore's blind trust of Snape allowed Snape to kill him. Nope. Uhuh. Not in this or any other lifetime.
Naaah I don't believe that either... Dumbledore knows EVERYTHING...
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Quote from: Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} on July 11, 2007, 04:50:17 pm   
Dumbledore knows EVERYTHING...

If he knew everything, then why didn't he put Scabbers in a cage when Ron first came to Hogwarts and told him "Sorry Ron, but your rat is actually Peter Pettigrew, who betrayed your new best friend's parents, which resulted in their murders.  Therefore, I must take him away..."

Why did it take him so long to figure out that Quirrell was after the Philosopher's Stone / possessed by Voldemort? If he had known, he wouldn't have left Hogwarts that night, and he probably would've saved Harry some trouble by getting rid of Quirrell/Voldy himself.

Why didn't Dumbledore know about Ginny writing in Tom Riddle's diary?

Why didn't Dumbledore know that Sirius Black was innocent all along?

Why didn't Dumbledore know right away that Harry had been set up in GOF? Why didn't he know that Mad-Eye was actually Barty Crouch Jr. until the very end, when everyone else found out?

I'm trying to think of examples from OoTP as well, but they're slipping my mind at the moment.

Also, in HBP, yes, Dumbledore knows that Draco wants to kill him, but he doesn't know everything.  For example, he doesn't know that Madam Rosemerta is under the Imperius Curse.

Dumbledore isn't psychic.  He doesn't know everything.  So, it is possible that he didn't have a clue about the Unbreakable Vow or the fact that Snape would kill him if Draco failed.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2007, 04:22:29 am »
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Despite all these great theories, I can't see Snape as being told by Dumbledore to kill him, he's definately evil in my mind, but I can't wait to see if I'm proved wrong!
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2007, 07:31:52 am »
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Just because Dumbledore KNEW a thing, doesn't mean he would have taken action to stop it. Some things MUST be allowed to play their part.

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Quote from: maryd on July 12, 2007, 04:22:29 am   

Despite all these great theories, I can't see Snape as being told by Dumbledore to kill him, he's definately evil in my mind, but I can't wait to see if I'm proved wrong!

And Snape is definately NOT evil in my mind, LOL.

Alot of you have very well thought out theories. I don't have any exciting or sexy theories, I just want him to still be on the side of the light because I like him.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 08:01:27 am »
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I can't help thinking of Snapes memory of his father that Harry saw during their Oclumency lessons.

This is SNAPE'S memory and I wonder if it is possible that it is not EXACTY what happened. Our memories often are biased to our own point of view.

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Quote from: Storyteller ~RSF~ on July 12, 2007, 08:01:27 am   

I can't help thinking of Snapes memory of his father that Harry saw during their Oclumency lessons.

This is SNAPE'S memory and I wonder if it is possible that it is not EXACTY what happened. Our memories often are biased to our own point of view.

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That's a really good point Rach!!!

Our memories can be based on emotions and feelings as much if not more than fact.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 08:26:31 am »
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Our memories can be based on emotions and feelings as much if not more than fact.


Certainly true. Of course, Ms. Rowling COULD have also used this memory to partially vidicate Snape for his cruelty to Harry, as well.

Again, we have something involving Snape that could go either way.
Can't WAIT until the last book tells us all..hopefully...

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