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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #330 on: November 24, 2006, 05:50:09 am »
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I would LOVE to see Bobby, but I dont know when / if they will show it in Germany... Does anybody know anything about that? 
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #331 on: November 24, 2006, 04:53:08 pm »
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Quote from: ShannyBanany on November 24, 2006, 12:49:24 am
OMGOSH.
I just saw Bobby and it seriously blew me away. It was effing AMAZING. I couldn't even believe it.
Honestly, the characters are super undeveloped and Ashton Kutcher's character is completely misplaced and ruined half the movie. 
However, the ending is SO powerful and the message is just as powerful if not more... it's a fantastic film. If any of you have the chance to see it I'd HIGHLY recommend it.
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I just got home from seeing Bobby, too, and I would have to agree with you in large part, ShannyBanany. The characters were underdeveloped, but then, how the heck *could* you really develop 22 main characters? Yet, despite the fact they were so underdeveloped, I actually found myself caring about each and every one of them. I think that truly says something for Emilio Estevez, which I honestly didn't expect to be saying. As for AK, you would have had to have lived that culture at that time to see how well his character truly fit in. He grates on my nerves at the best of times, but I have to say he did well in this part.
As for Elijah's character, and Lindsay, I was pleasantly surprised. I had read a review early on that called Elijah "wooden" in this role... chalk it up to my being partial or not, but I certainly didn't think so. And I thought the two of them pulled off the onscreen chemistry fine, although there was a lot less of them (and *that*) than I would have liked to see.  I have to say I admire the way Ms. Lohan played her part - and *that's* something else I didn't expect to say.
The ending - oh, yes, cannot really post about it without flying huge spoiler flags and even then it would be about impossible to protect people from spoilers on this forum. But it affected me very deeply, for more than one reason.
As a child of the 60s and early 70s, I have to say the feel and look of the film is true; I bought it completely. And I came away thinking that perhaps RFK truly *was* the last great idealist to aspire for leadership in our country. That thought makes me sad, and I will confess I was in tears at the end, again, for more than one reason.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #332 on: November 24, 2006, 10:25:03 pm »
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WoW!! great movie. I must agree the characters were a bit undeveloped. Must I liked the meaning of it.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #333 on: November 24, 2006, 11:45:48 pm »
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Quote from: Lith on November 24, 2006, 04:53:08 pm
Quote from: ShannyBanany on November 24, 2006, 12:49:24 am
OMGOSH.
I just saw Bobby and it seriously blew me away. It was effing AMAZING. I couldn't even believe it.
Honestly, the characters are super undeveloped and Ashton Kutcher's character is completely misplaced and ruined half the movie.
However, the ending is SO powerful and the message is just as powerful if not more... it's a fantastic film. If any of you have the chance to see it I'd HIGHLY recommend it.
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I just got home from seeing Bobby, too, and I would have to agree with you in large part, ShannyBanany. The characters were underdeveloped, but then, how the heck *could* you really develop 22 main characters? Yet, despite the fact they were so underdeveloped, I actually found myself caring about each and every one of them. I think that truly says something for Emilio Estevez, which I honestly didn't expect to be saying. As for AK, you would have had to have lived that culture at that time to see how well his character truly fit in. He grates on my nerves at the best of times, but I have to say he did well in this part.
As for Elijah's character, and Lindsay, I was pleasantly surprised. I had read a review early on that called Elijah "wooden" in this role... chalk it up to my being partial or not, but I certainly didn't think so. And I thought the two of them pulled off the onscreen chemistry fine, although there was a lot less of them (and *that*) than I would have liked to see. I have to say I admire the way Ms. Lohan played her part - and *that's* something else I didn't expect to say.
The ending - oh, yes, cannot really post about it without flying huge spoiler flags and even then it would be about impossible to protect people from spoilers on this forum. But it affected me very deeply, for more than one reason.
As a child of the 60s and early 70s, I have to say the feel and look of the film is true; I bought it completely. And I came away thinking that perhaps RFK truly *was* the last great idealist to aspire for leadership in our country. That thought makes me sad, and I will confess I was in tears at the end, again, for more than one reason.
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Ditto on all counts.....especially about wishing there was more Elijah& lindsay stuff. i expected to enjoy the film, well because I always enjoy seeing Elijah, sometimes I have to say yes I loved Elijahs part in a film but really thought the film lacked something..anything...
What I didn't expect was to come away moved, engaged and totally impressed, and by the sounds of the people in the theater with me they all were too. I am with Lith re: the end, I came away with a sense of loss, and though I was only 5 at the time it made me feel like it was something that impacted me personally. And I was also effected greatly by the personal stories especially as they came to a culmination at the end.....
Truly an exceptional film...My hubby even said he'd go back and see it again, and it crossed our minds to go out and buy tickets for the 1100pm show and sit back in our seats and wait. Simply awesome and I expect we will be seeing this film nominated for something come Golden globe and academy award time...enough said by me....sufice to say Elijah was beautiful, talented and totally convincing as a young man trying to avoid being shipped off to the front in vietnam. Sigh, I really do want to go see it again to get some more of the finer points I am sure I missed.........
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #334 on: November 25, 2006, 12:24:56 am »
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I haven't seen the film, but I was 14 at the time, when everything was so intense, including the political climate at the time, and Bobby was the senator from NY....... I met him, he came to our little town, shook my hand , and . well he was so well liked , so personable...... yet compassionate for the people around him...... and when the news played over and over again......."it's on to Chicago and let's win there"...... after he had just won in California and he was at the hotel......... then that was the last thing he said...... it was indeed one of the darkest day in American history....... I believe when the archives are opened on JFK's murder , we will see how this country was pushed into another political direction by the assassinations of JFK, Martin Luther King and RFk......
Our country was no longer naivette in thinking we could have a world of peace, because violence is what took it away............so sad,,,,,,, so very sad..... for us all 
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #336 on: November 25, 2006, 11:04:02 pm »
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i just saw bobby.
amazing! 
i didn't get the feeling of any underdeveloped characters in this. emilio told the basics with each one and that's all he needed to do. i felt connected with everyone, even with ashton. i remember reading this film originally went over 3 hours, so there may be some more development going on in the longer version for those who felt short-changed with it. i hope there will be more on the dvd when it comes out.
though everyones performance was top notch, i was surprised with nick cannon. who knew this guy could act?
the ending was powerful and that one thing i totally didn't see coming. you know the thing i speak of.
i'll be seeing it again, and i highly recommend it.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #337 on: November 26, 2006, 07:22:18 am »
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Spain 26 January 2007
So that is my date... ok, I´ll have to wait until Christmas is over to enjoy the movie. Thanks for your reviews, ladies, I´ve found them really interesting.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #338 on: November 26, 2006, 05:43:06 pm »
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Quote from: f.r.o.d.o. on November 25, 2006, 12:24:56 am
I haven't seen the film, but I was 14 at the time, when everything was so intense, including the political climate at the time, and Bobby was the senator from NY. it was indeed one of the darkest day in American history
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You and I are of the same generation frodo, because we both lived through this and I remember it distinctly. It was indeed a very sad and shocking time when the nation lost its innocence.
I don’t plan to see this movie until the x-mas holidays.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #339 on: November 26, 2006, 09:07:50 pm »
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Quote from: chuckie3d on November 26, 2006, 05:43:06 pm
You and I are of the same generation frodo, because we both lived through this and I remember it distinctly. It was indeed a very sad and shocking time when the nation lost its innocence.
I don’t plan to see this movie until the x-mas holidays.
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I don't know if I could see this movie..... it wouldn't be entertainment.It'would bring up emotions that were very real to me.
I saw clips of it and it shows Bobby Kennedy just before he uttered the words "It's on to Chicago and let's win there"...... I don't know if I can reliive that again. I'm grateful for it because people of different generations will be given an idea of what happened then...... But to me , who lived it. It is a symbol of how our country was moved away from Kennedy's ideals, Kings morals and went towards other people's ....... people who are still in power now......... to me Bobby Kennedy's death , Martin Luther King's death was I feel planned out very well to turn the politics of this country into a different direction...... which it did.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #340 on: November 26, 2006, 09:18:48 pm »
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f.r.o.d.o., I understand your trepidation about seeing the film. I was 15 when Bobby died, and over the next few years was one of the peacefully civil disobedient flower children who risked arrest and other forms of coercion, to try to promulgate the very ideals Bobby and Dr. King embodied. I know that seeing this film may open old wounds for you. It did for me.
But seeing it, and especially seeing it with my 29 year old daughter, gives me a means of opening a dialogue with her about what those times were like, how innocent and idealistic and in many ways good we were as a people then. We've lost so much of that, so very much. And if I can help my daughter see and understand just a bit of that, and she can pass it on to her children, maybe I can still make a small difference. And that's what Bobby was all about, wasn't he?
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #341 on: November 26, 2006, 09:51:56 pm »
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Quote from: Lith on November 26, 2006, 09:18:48 pm
And if I can help my daughter see and understand just a bit of that, and she can pass it on to her children, maybe I can still make a small difference. And that's what Bobby was all about, wasn't he?
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very well said lith. whatever we can do to help along with this continuing struggle. bobby would be proud. 
i saw it again today, and unlike yesterday i wept this time. this time i listened to the words of robert at the end of the movie. before i was too wrapped up in the visuals that were going on to really listen to what he was saying.
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #342 on: November 26, 2006, 09:52:50 pm »
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Wow Lith ...... you are Right on .......
Maybe I should take my daughters to it..... though they think I"m crazy..(maybe I am!  )
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Re:The "Bobby" thread
« Reply #343 on: November 26, 2006, 10:18:05 pm »
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Quote from: f.r.o.d.o. on November 26, 2006, 09:52:50 pm
Wow Lith ...... you are Right on .......
Maybe I should take my daughters to it..... though they think I"m crazy..(maybe I am! )
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Go for it, f.r.o.d.o.! They probably can't think you're any crazier than they already do! But as for that, my daughter and son-in-law told me on Thanksgiving how they bless the day I discovered LOTR and Elijah fandom.
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