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« on: June 12, 2004, 02:10:47 pm »

I was just wondering...is it hard to learn English? It just struck me, because I'm learning a new language now (Spanish). It must be really hard. I've always heard that English is the hardest language to learn, but I never really paid much attention to it. What exactly is it like learning English? What were the hardest parts? *is curious*
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2004, 03:46:52 pm »

hi Glinda!!! I'm spanish, so I'm a non-native english speaker lol

I've been learning english since I was 6 or 7 (I don't remember...),
I think spanish is harder to learn than english (it's a very complicated language: too many tenses,...).

Good luck with your spanish lessons!! if you want to talk in spanish go here:

http://always.ejwsites.net/YaBBSE/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=13988

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2004, 03:52:12 pm »

I don't know that much Spanish, I only started this year. Basic stuff. I'll check it out, though, thanks for the link.

I think Spanish is easier! Wayyy easier! A verb ends the same way, no matter what. Sure, you have a couple of irregulars, but in English there's a hell of a lot more. If English was easy, why the hell would I have to learn it for twelve years of my life? It's retarded. And we learn the same things every year. *sigh*
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2004, 03:55:28 pm »


Quote from: Glinda on June 12, 2004, 03:52:12 pm   

I don't know that much Spanish, I only started this year. Basic stuff. I'll check it out, though, thanks for the link.

I think Spanish is easier! Wayyy easier! A verb ends the same way, no matter what. Sure, you have a couple of irregulars, but in English there's a hell of a lot more. If English was easy, why the hell would I have to learn it for twelve years of my life? It's retarded. And we learn the same things every year. *sigh*

I know what you mean girl, that's why I decided to leave my english lessons.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2004, 04:04:50 pm »

Hasta mañana.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2004, 04:12:56 pm »

I speak English, but I enjoy learning languages and I know a couple. My mom is Spanish so she had to learn English.

I think the reason English is harder to learn is because there are so many exceptions to the rules. Every language has exceptions to grammar rules, but English seems to have more.

English also has way, way more words than other languages. There are so many words in English that are, I don't want to say useless, but they really aren't necessary.
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2004, 04:30:44 pm »

I've been wondering about this too.
I've met so many non-english speakers on here... and I only notice they're not from an english speaking country when they tell me!
It's amazing how people can become so fluent...

I've been learning French for 5 years now... and I can't string a sentance together to save my life.
Well... I'm not that bad... but I know I'd probably starve if I had to live in France on my own! lol


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There are so many words in English that are, I don't want to say useless, but they really aren't necessary.

I thought about that... and I can't think of any...
Do you have any examples?
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2004, 04:35:50 pm »

I haven't got problems with English, I have it at school. Don't think it's really hard, split from all those tenses.

And taf, Frech isn't an easy language, sentences are always difficult. I learn French for 6 year now, and it's getting better and better (I hope lol)
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2004, 04:46:01 pm »

I'm a non native English speaker as well. I started learning English at school when I was 12 and I think I'm pretty fluent in it. When you live in a country that hardly no one knows (Belgium) with a language that only a couple of million of people speak (Dutch), you are just forced to learn other languages. I never had any problem with English really, I know I make mistakes, the grammar is not always easy and when you hardly have time to think before you have to say something, you can't avoid to make mistakes.

I actually love the complexion of English. There are indeed a lot of words that may be unnecessary, but it allows yourself to say things in different ways. I'm writing stories in my spare time and started writing in English recently. I found it a lot easier to write in English because of the large vocabulary the language has to offer.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2004, 04:46:12 pm »


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The Second Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use, and 47,156 obsolete words. To this may be added around 9,500 derivative words included as subentries. Over half of these words are nouns, about a quarter adjectives, and about a seventh verbs; the rest is made up of interjections, conjunctions, prepositions, suffixes, etc. These figures take no account of entries with senses for different parts of speech (such as noun and adjective).


I found that in my Oxford dictionary. Thats a lot of words. I read somewhere that for a language to be complete it needs something like 8,500 words. Well if English has 171,476 words that are used and 47,156 obsolete words...I think we're way above whats "needed".

A language with 8,500 words would be a very broad language, but its still enough to be considered complete.

Also, how can one really count words. So many words in English have multiple meanings. Example- 'dog'. Is dog one word, or two (a noun meaning `a kind of animal', and a verb meaning `to follow persistently')? If we count it as two, then do we count inflections separately too (dogs plural noun, dogs present tense of the verb).

Thats probably more information that you all wanted. I just really, really like languages.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2004, 05:05:02 pm »

I'm German and I started learning English at school, when I was 11 or 12. I like learning other languages and have no problems with it. Okay, I admit, my English was much better when I went to school (8 years ago), and of course I make mistakes, but being here in this forum helps me not to forget everything... Furthermore in my opinion English is not the most difficult language. I think German, for example is much more difficult! Starts with all the 'Sie' and 'Du' and ' Der, Die ,Das'   And one important point, I nearly forgot, is that here in Germany many English expressions are used(especially concerning computers ), people hear english music.... You hardly come along without speaking a little bit English.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2004, 05:06:39 pm »

Ahhhh I see what you mean now.
Good point.
As was that made by Cristiel.

You know what I find quite amusing.
After spending a while on here... I've noticed quite often that non-english speakers are better at writing than those who have been brought up to speak the language.
Just something that amused me.
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Quote from: *~CRAZY~* on June 12, 2004, 05:05:02 pm   

And one important point, I nearly forgot, is that here in Germany many English expressions are used(especially concerning computers ), people hear english music.... You hardly come along without speaking a little bit English.


It's the same over here. And it goes even further... I know that a lot of English movies are dubbed in Germany, that never happens over here (we have subtitles), so I basically grew up with English. In music, on tv, movie theater.
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Quote from: tafika on June 12, 2004, 05:06:39 pm   

Ahhhh I see what you mean now.
Good point.
As was that made by Cristiel.

You know what I find quite amusing.
After spending a while on here... I've noticed quite often that non-english speakers are better at writing than those who have been brought up to speak the language.
Just something that amused me.
I'm easily pleased.

Hehe, it's the same here in Germany I remember when my english exchange partner asked me " What is 'The pink coat' in german?" And I answered " Der rosane Mantel." That's wrong it has to be 'Der rosa Mantel' I'll never forget that!


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And it goes even further... I know that a lot of English movies are dubbed in Germany, that never happens over here (we have subtitles), so I basically grew up with English. In music, on tv, movie theater.


I know! And I wish it'd be the same here! All movies are dubbed in Germany! Okay, one good thing, when you go to the theatre you can choose between the original versio and the dubbed one...On tv you can only watch it in German Whaaa, and I like Elijah's voice so much!
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2004, 05:33:56 pm »

One reason English was probably easy for you, Crazy is because English is a Germanic language. It is more like German, unlike languages like French, Spanish, or Italian which are all romance languages and are primarily based on Latin.
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