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Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« on: July 04, 2005, 03:39:43 am »
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As we all know, the latest world-sized topic is the make poverty history campaign.

While there has recently been the debt wipe for Nigeria (one of their debts anyway) and Live 8, and the forthcoming G8 summit, does anyone actually believe all poverty can be wiped out for Africa? Yeah, their debts could be cancelled and that would be excellent- and possible, I believe and hope- but the African governments have always been portrayed as corupt (and anyone who's seen the mis-spread wealth in African countries will back that up) and the world seems a bit like it's everyone else who's doing wrong. A radio interview I was listening to on the bus to sixth form had some guy saying 'we need to change France's opinions, and America's way of dealing'. No mention that Britain do the same. I'm willing to bet each country thinks they're justified in how they act.

Someone else in the same interview mentioned how unless trade is improved with Africa, then we'll need to do this all again in another 20 years. I would hope not, but I'm sad to say I'm betting that'll probably be the case. What's everyone else's opinion? Can we actually wipe out poverty?
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Re:Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 06:08:19 am »
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A very intersting topic.
No i don't think poverty will be history.
There are a few words which come to my mind right now
Greed
Corruption
Tyranny
Bad education, lack of resorces to give education
Wars and Genocide
Equal rights for women
Slavery
Religion
Pollution and climate changes ( weather changes -bad harvests - droughts- floods )
Killing the rainforrest. (which changes the climate)
Egoism
ect. the list is endless

We live in a cruel world where people don't care about others or the world.
I really have to keep my mouth shut here because I tend get shouted at as usual.

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Re:Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2005, 10:05:22 am »
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If you get yelled at, I'll get yelled at 'cos you seem to think the same as me.
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Re:Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2005, 11:52:48 am »
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You're totally right, poverty cannot be erased. For one thing it's not economically possible to be living in a poverty free world. Secondly as you said there will always be problems, there will always be corruption, always be lack of resources. However, despite all these problems, it's good to see that the international community is not just sitting in a corner and saying, "Oh well nothing is ever gonna be fixed anyway, why try?" The main aims of the Live 8 concert are to firstly erase Aferica's staggering debts- they have enough problems such as the ones on your list and can't handle the debt they owe to devoloped countries. Secondly to double the aid, and to dramatically increase medical aid. While these measures will never be able to erase poverty, to say that such measures wouldn't effect people's lives, I don't know if that's true. The world is facing many problems, and we can just - you know, do our best to make things even slightly better for some people who's living conditions are BEYOND anything we have ever seen or can imagine. The tagline of being the generation to erase poverty is obviously a bit over the top, but with good intentions.
And corruption exists everywhere - it's freakin everywhere. BUT with the international community - and we're not talking just UN, the entire world is on it's feet and aware about this - there will hopefully be some reforms.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2005, 02:46:56 pm »
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Well, bigger nations would have to somehow get rid of faulty and corrupt governments, which is nearly imposible because no rich nation wants to do that, thats government for you.

It doesn't matter how much money you give these nations. If a massive sum of money goes to a corrupt government, its a waste. We (bigger nations) have to make these governments secure, first. Before we go and help these poor people. Or else in 50 years, everything will be back to where we started.

But, I do think its worth it. You have to start somewhere.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2005, 03:52:42 pm »
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I don't think poverty will ever be totally beaten. But I do think that a lot can be done to improve the situations that are happening in some countries.

The whole purpose of Live8 and everything related to that is to raise awareness. So that everyone is aware of how bad things really are.

Yes the governments there don't distribute funds and whatever fairly... but all the people who live in poverty need is a chance.
Give them the tools they need to find their own resources, teach them how to fend for themselves, grow their own crops and whatever. It will take time, energy and money. But if enough people commit these things to the cause... I do truely believe that great things can happen.

All these people need is a chance.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2005, 01:03:41 am »
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I agree Taf.

I'm tired of rich white people with houses, a car, and food being cynical about such a situation, these people havn't even gotten a fair chance, or a shot yet, give it time.


Bob Geldof said today that they have already raised 65 billion dollars, (how they got the money, I still don't understand). But if he's telling the truth, then good. Tis' the least we rich white people can do.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2005, 04:08:35 am »
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It isn't just the rich white people that need to change their ideas- the African govenrment is full of rich black people just as corrupt.


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Bob Geldof said today that they have already raised 65 billion dollars

Thats really positive to hear. It just amazes me that some people (evedently not your good selves) will see that figure and say 'oh that's good. We've given them some money, they'll be fine.' Like chuff they will. Now if some of that were to be spent on medical aid/ training of the people/ education then we're getting somehere.

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Re:Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2005, 08:38:07 am »
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Quote from: Etaeb OLC on July 04, 2005, 06:08:19 am   

A very intersting topic.
No i don't think poverty will be history.
There are a few words which come to my mind right now
Greed
Corruption
Tyranny
Bad education, lack of resorces to give education
Wars and Genocide
Equal rights for women
Slavery
Religion
Pollution and climate changes ( weather changes -bad harvests - droughts- floods )
Killing the rainforrest. (which changes the climate)
Egoism
ect. the list is endless

We live in a cruel world where people don't care about others or the world.
I really have to keep my mouth shut here because I tend get shouted at as usual.



I agree wholeheatedly....
And you will not get shouted at by me...

Unfortunately people in power are making money on other people's suffering. Therefore the status quo will remain...
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Re:Do you really think we can make poverty history?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2005, 04:45:04 pm »
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I personally donīt think we can make poverty history.

Iīm also skeptical about this Live8-thing too. Not saying it was a bad thing, oh no. I think it was a good way to raise the attention for the massive problems in Africa, but in my eyes, a lot of people seem to think with these concerts itīs done.
Iīve also heard some comments from artists that have performed at the Live8-concerts, that made me think that they are just doing it to get publicity and to be the "white saints helping the poor people in Africa". Thatīs just the worst.
And the fact that those artists didnīt get any money for their performance, yet they all got designer bags filled with make-up or whatever is also really ridiculous. I mean, itīs a concert about the poverty in Africa and they get make-up-bags for performing there?!
Thatīs just weird and wrong in my eyes.

But Iīm not going to bash the whole idea of Live8. It was a very good idea to get the attention of the media and the people. But there needs a lot more to be done than organizing those concerts.
I know I sound a bit pessimistic, but thatīs just me.
If people donīt forget about the problems now that the event is over, then I think thereīs a chance to change something.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2005, 07:44:40 pm »
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Quote from: Etaeb OLC on July 04, 2005, 06:08:19 am   

A very intersting topic.
No i don't think poverty will be history.
There are a few words which come to my mind right now
Greed
Corruption
Tyranny
Bad education, lack of resorces to give education
Wars and Genocide
Equal rights for women
Slavery
Religion
Pollution and climate changes ( weather changes -bad harvests - droughts- floods )
Killing the rainforrest. (which changes the climate)
Egoism
ect. the list is endless

True.


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But, I do think its worth it. You have to start somewhere. [/color]

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Quote from: tafika on July 04, 2005, 03:52:42 pm   

I don't think poverty will ever be totally beaten. But I do think that a lot can be done to improve the situations that are happening in some countries.

The whole purpose of Live8 and everything related to that is to raise awareness. So that everyone is aware of how bad things really are.

True.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2005, 08:50:06 pm »
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Quote from: ~GreenEyes~ on July 05, 2005, 04:45:04 pm   


It was a very good idea to get the attention of the media and the people. But there needs a lot more to be done than organizing those concerts.


Those concerts were free and just to raise awareness.. I think it would've been better to at least charge some bit of money, maybe even just a dollar, and that would raise money to donate to help people who live in poverty and need it. I saw this thing on VH1 with comedians talking about the Live8 concerts, and although they were joking, they made some very good, valid points about it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2005, 09:26:17 pm »
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Yeah, that whole gift-bag thing was really out of place in this whole Live 8 thing.
They're supposed to be there to represent change--to make people think about everything they have, yet millions in Africa don't have--and they get bags and make-up?!

But, Madonna was there, so...

But, the main point was taken, and whether or not Madonna got new a Versace bag is only a small imperfection.
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raise money to donate to help people who live in poverty and need it.

The text messages weren't free though, were they?
I don't know because I didn't look into it as I wouldn't have been able to get the time off work to go.

But if there was a charge, then the organisers do get some of the money from that.
It's just a question of where that money goes to.

The sale of the white bands.
The money from those goes towards the charity.

And I don't know about everyone else. But there are fund raisers going on all around the world for this. For example, my College had a Make Poverty History day. And we had our own mini-live8 with some of the students bands.

I donated about Ģ5 on that day. And I added a message that was going to be sent with loads of others to Edinburgh in time for the G8 summit.

It's not just huge world wide, or national events that are contributing.
I've added Ģ7.50 in total to this cause (Ģ5 on the MPH day, and Ģ2.50 for my white band). There are more people contributing money, more and less. Every penny helps.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2005, 02:05:24 pm »
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Quote from: tafika on July 06, 2005, 06:34:26 am   


It's just a question of where that money goes to.


Very true. Iīm always worried about such things.
Huge sums of money can be earned at those concerts but then the money gets to the corrupt political systems in Africa and the people continue to starve. They donīt see anything from the billions of money.
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