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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2005, 07:20:11 pm »
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I think - see it as their calling to convert the whole world to Christianity.
That's because we think the rest of the world is going to Hell. *Shrugs.* Like it or not, that's a big part of our religious beliefs. I mean, I know I'm being blunt, but Christians, including me, would be overjoyed if everyone asked God to save them. I don't just mean start going to Christian church services, either. I mean if everyone actually became Christians. We respect other religious beliefs and such, but we really think everyone else is wrong. I'm really not being mean, I swear, I'm just telling you how we believe.
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And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.


So please Kari, just back off!!
As much as you praise Christianity here you will only turn people away from it further. Other people's "relationship" to God is none of your business! Your relationship to God is none of our business!
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2005, 07:32:06 pm »
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Whoa. *ahem* I wouldn't have put it quite that harshly... The repetition does fall on a deaf ear most of the time though, so keep that in mind, Kari. Most of us have heard it all before, ad nauseum.

But to address something else:

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Religious beliefs are usually a big part of who a person is if they are religious. I mean, if you didn't have them, you wouldn't be able to make any decision at all.
That's why I don't follow any particular faith. I don't like the idea of being dictated to and having all my decisions pulled out of a book. Even if most of the things in that book might be good ideas, I would have to rely on my own instincts first and foremost.


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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2005, 07:32:38 pm »
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OMG! How dare you act like I'm pushing Christianity on you! Back off my butt. I don't have a "holier than thou" attitude by any means whatsoever. I'm fully aware than I'm a sinner, and that I'm not perfect at all. Otherwise, I wouldn't have just cussed you out. (Not on here, outloud in my living room.) What you just quoted didn't support what you said at all. I was telling you why Christians, many Christians, tried to push people into Christianity. It's because we think you're wrong. I'm sure telling you I think you're wrong is not being pressuring at all.

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Other people's "relationship" to God is none of your business! Your relationship to God is none of our business!
I agree with that to an extent. Did you not read my other posts on this subject?!? Apparently not. I think you were just trying to pick out the worst part and bash me over the head with it. At least I tell people when I agree with them or thing they've made a profound statement.

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I mean, I'll admit that I'm definitely on this guy's side when it comes to morals, but that doesn't mean we should try making people have our morals.
Did you even attempt to read that?!? I believe that means I really think people should have the freedom to believe whatever they like, whether it's my opinion or not, and that people really shouldn't be forceful about it. The statement you quoted was telling you why people who were forceful about Christianity were.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2005, 07:44:52 pm »
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I'm sure telling you I think you're wrong is not being pressuring at all.
Actually, it is, but I've gotten used to it.


PATIENCE, people! Man.... (Not meaning you, Kari.) That was un-called for. Could you not at least have addressed the subject of the thread? I'll admit that, Kari, you've gotten on my nerves a couple of times, but not here, not yet.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2005, 08:03:15 pm »
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OMG! How dare you act like I'm pushing Christianity on you! Back off my butt.
Then please do the same for us. 


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I don't have a "holier than thou" attitude by any means whatsoever. I'm fully aware than I'm a sinner, and that I'm not perfect at all. Otherwise, I wouldn't have just cussed you out. (Not on here, outloud in my living room.)
Yeah, you admit you're a sinner, but you still try to tell everybody what's good for them. I'm sorry, but I'm getting so sick of this and I bet many other people do too.


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What you just quoted didn't support what you said at all. I was telling you why Christians, many Christians, tried to push people into Christianity. It's because we think you're wrong.
Well see, there's two different interpretations of a bible verse already. Now who's right? (don't bother to explain, really )
How would you feel if we had Muslims coming in here all the time trying to convert you? Telling you the whole time that you'll burn in hell for not following the Koran? 


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Other people's "relationship" to God is none of your business! Your relationship to God is none of our business!
I agree with that to an extent. Did you not read my other posts on this subject?!? Apparently not.
I did, but they're so contradicting, I don't think they make sense. 


Edit: not sure if you meant me by addressing the subject, but I'll refrain from this thread anyway, so just continue your discussion. If you really need to discuss this further Kari, please send a PM.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2005, 08:59:21 pm »
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*Looks around...it's quiet....*

Either way, I think what that man said was way out of line, and people don't even interpret the song that way.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2005, 09:32:54 pm »
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Actually, it is, but I've gotten used to it.
No it isn't! LOL . . . you guys tell me I'm wrong every 5 f***ing seconds. Does that make you pressuring? I think not.

Sorry if I'm mad, but it's very disheartening to hear everyone bash you and everything you stand for.

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Then please do the same for us.
I don't do anything to YOU! Of course, I will say something if provoked, but not until then. When you start calling me out for doing absolutely nothing wrong but telling you why people do things they do, I'm not going to be completely patient and kind toward you. Un-Christianlike? Yes. Sorry. I'm human.

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Either way, I think what that man said was way out of line, and people don't even interpret the song that way.

I think he was out of line, too, because of the way he said what he said. I mean, a song can mean whatever you want it to mean. I think "Mr. Brightside" is about a guy that just discovered he was a bisexual. *Shrugs.* That doesn't make it wrong, even if the guy who wrote it meant a different thing because it's only a song, and a song is a creative piece of work.

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How would you feel if we had Muslims coming in here all the time trying to convert you? Telling you the whole time that you'll burn in hell for not following the Koran? 

I'd say, "Well, that's what you think, but I don't." I wouldn't freak out. I wouldn't whine and say, "Oh! Oh! You're pressuring me! You're pushing your religion on me!" That's retarted. People are just telling you what they think. They aren't being hostile. However, I'd say they would have the right to be hostile if I was telling them to back off and that they were totally stupid for believing the way they believed. After all, they would be telling me because they truly believed I'd be burning in Hell if I didn't believe the way they did. That's not hatred or pressure, you know, that's caring about a person. I don't *coughs* hate any of you, really, and I wouldn't want you to burn in Hell. If I did, heck, I'd just agree with you guys all the time. Anyways, I really think you should all start addressing all of my posts, and everyone should try to do that with everyone's posts. It's stupid to take one little excerpt out of a post and twist it to say what you want.

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I think - see it as their calling to convert the whole world to Christianity.

That's because we think the rest of the world is going to Hell. *Shrugs.* Like it or not, that's a big part of our religious beliefs. I mean, I know I'm being blunt, but Christians, including me, would be overjoyed if everyone asked God to save them. I don't just mean start going to Christian church services, either. I mean if everyone actually became Christians. We respect other religious beliefs and such, but we really think everyone else is wrong. I'm really not being mean, I swear, I'm just telling you how we believe.
Obviously, I meant that people who were going around trying to shove their religious beliefs were doing it because of that. I never said I was going to do it. I was just telling you what I thought, and why I thought it.

Also, those of you who don't believe the Bible don't really make much of an argument trying to use it against those of us who know way more about it and it's contents . . . I'm just saying.

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Yeah, you admit you're a sinner, but you still try to tell everybody what's good for them. I'm sorry, but I'm getting so sick of this and I bet many other people do too.

No . . . I'm just telling you what I think is good for people. It isn't like I'm telling you that you must do something. I'm not commanding you or anyone else.
Other people's "relationship" to God is none of your business! Your relationship to God is none of our business! 

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I agree with that to an extent. Did you not read my other posts on this subject?!? Apparently not.
I did, but they're so contradicting, I don't think they make sense. 

No, they aren't! If you have any knowledge and literacy whatsoever, you can understand what my posts say. I've basically said that I believe government and religion shouldn't be hand in hand in terms of "politically correct." However, because of my religious beliefs, I'm bias to bills and laws that support my moral standards, obviously. Is that so hard to understand? I mean, maybe the President shouldn't be bias, but since he's human, you can't really expect him to make decisions that don't support his religious beliefs. The other posts were dealing with a subject that was a little different. They were about why people tried to convert people to Christianity and why some of them were forceful. Those things you quoted explained why they did it. I wasn't trying to tell people about how wrong they were. Puh-lease. I wouldn't have done that then . . . I was in a good mood at that point.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2005, 09:34:37 pm »
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Guys, come on... let's not try to step on eachother anymore. If you have something to say, please try to say it nicely, there's no reason to bring anyone down for their religious beliefs or lack other of. Bush is a Christian president... this is somewhat expected, at least by me.... so i can't say i'm really surprised.

anyway, yes... let's just all breathe... there's no reason to get so upset and "in your faceish." It's just a discussion... a discussion requires two different opinions, otherwise it's not a discussion. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2005, 09:39:55 pm »
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The man is entilted to his opinions, of course.

But I would think that so few people would actually agree with him to begin with, so it's not really a big deal.

Don't worry, John Lennon still turned in his grave I would suspect.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2005, 10:05:13 pm »
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Thanks, The Used, for at least trying to put us back on topic. As for you two - Frankie and Kari - if you want to continue flaming at each other, can you please move it to the PM boxes? Thanks.


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Either way, I think what that man said was way out of line, and people don't even interpret the song that way.
Yes, I agree. "Imagine", the way I always saw it, is about the fact that religion is one of the things that divides people and pits them against each other. (Quite true, isn't it?) If there were no Heaven, and no Hell below us as the song says, then the ideal is that we would all work harder for peace on Earth because that's all we have.
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2005, 10:45:48 pm »
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^^ THANK YOU! for explaining the song 
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2005, 10:53:37 pm »
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My pleasure! It's just one interpretation, but the point is it's not as dangerous as that guy seems to think it is.

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2005, 06:20:51 pm »
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There is not porn, and child sacrifice either in John Lennon's song Imagine. The song is beautiful is talk about unity.
That people who called themselves as Christians are really a bunch of fanatics. Fanatism is not part of Christianity.I'm a Christian(Catholic) and I believe those people are belong to a sect. Their actions are not normal, they are lunatics. Remember Waco, Texas?
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2005, 06:39:19 pm »
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Yeah, what this man says is far from the songs meaning to even begin with. What he is desplaying is exactly what the song is against, in my opinion anyway. That's how I see the song...


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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2005, 08:39:42 pm »
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Quote from: PHF1138 on April 10, 2005, 11:25:36 pm   

Okay, this article is admitably biased, but someone please tell me I'm misinterpreting this in some way:

"It helps that Dominionists have a direct line to the White House: The Rev. Richard Land, top lobbyist for the 16-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, enjoys a weekly conference call with top Bush advisers including Karl Rove. "We've got the Holy Spirit's wind at our backs!" Land declares in an arm-waving, red-faced speech. He takes particular aim at the threat posed by John Lennon, denouncing "Imagine" as a "secular anthem" that envisions a future of "clone plantations, child sacrifice, legalized polygamy and hard-core porn."

What the hell is this? Are they serious? If you want to accuse popular artists of being anti-religion, in some cases that's perfectly true, but "Imagine?" I mean, come ON! Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this is crazy.

Taken from this article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7



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