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« on: April 10, 2005, 11:25:36 pm »
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Okay, this article is admitably biased, but someone please tell me I'm misinterpreting this in some way:

"It helps that Dominionists have a direct line to the White House: The Rev. Richard Land, top lobbyist for the 16-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, enjoys a weekly conference call with top Bush advisers including Karl Rove. "We've got the Holy Spirit's wind at our backs!" Land declares in an arm-waving, red-faced speech. He takes particular aim at the threat posed by John Lennon, denouncing "Imagine" as a "secular anthem" that envisions a future of "clone plantations, child sacrifice, legalized polygamy and hard-core porn."

What the hell is this? Are they serious? If you want to accuse popular artists of being anti-religion, in some cases that's perfectly true, but "Imagine?" I mean, come ON! Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this is crazy.

Taken from this article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 02:02:32 am »
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well i don't know about porn and child sacrifice, but the song does have a secular anthem to it. i mean

"imagine there's no heaven...no hell below us...imagine all the people living for today....nothing to kill or die for and no religion too."

the lyrics are pretty clear, but i would not go as far as that article, i agree that's a bit ridiculous. though, if i am not mistaken, that song was banned from the radio for a while after it came out b/c of this very same controversy.

i personally just appreciate the song for what it is and don't read much into it, i think it's a beautiful song all around, and a classic in it's kind.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 03:05:51 am »
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This is pretty scary stuff.
I always had the opinion you shouldn't combine religion with politics. Its not the right combination. There are to many different believes in the world.
Sounds to me these people are using religion so spread fundamentalist idea's around the country. Better watch out.
Next nobody will be aloud to do anything anymore. Have these people nothing else to do?
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 09:42:35 am »
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The thing is, fundamentalists - along with lots of other denominations, I think - see it as their calling to convert the whole world to Christianity. I think that's a terrible, terrible idea - variety is key, and there's just too much of it for that kind of thing to be possible anyway - but 'spreading the word' so to speak is part of their belief system. The scary thing is that now they're actually trying to do it on a large scale.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 01:49:33 pm »
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Whoa, that it kinda scary!

Surely someone can't actually think that?!
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 08:21:12 pm »
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...and I bet you he'll blame it all on homosexuals. Hardy har har.  What ever happened to freedom of speech?
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2005, 12:12:54 am »
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That was an interesting point he raised though, about the right-wing being silenced just as much as the liberals. It's different now, because we have a very right wing president and legislation, but still - it's interesting to think about.

Everything gets blamed on gays.... It's silly. They don't even do anything, they're just.......y'know, gay. It's not like they're trying to turn the whole world gay either - which is what the perception seems to be a lot of the time, and it's ridiculous.


I still can't believe they're taking it out on John Lennon..... He was a little crazy towards the end there, sure, but come on. Let's not get carried away here.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2005, 06:09:42 pm »
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Everything gets blamed on gays.... It's silly. They don't even do anything, they're just.......y'know, gay. It's not like they're trying to turn the whole world gay either - which is what the perception seems to be a lot of the time, and it's ridiculous.
LOL . . . I don't really know what you're talking about, but I feel like something is seriously wrong if all the world's problems are blamed on homosexuals. How stupid! It's just like blaming everything on George Bush . . . LOL . . . crazy people will say anything, you know.

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"It helps that Dominionists have a direct line to the White House: The Rev. Richard Land, top lobbyist for the 16-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, enjoys a weekly conference call with top Bush advisers including Karl Rove. "We've got the Holy Spirit's wind at our backs!" Land declares in an arm-waving, red-faced speech. He takes particular aim at the threat posed by John Lennon, denouncing "Imagine" as a "secular anthem" that envisions a future of "clone plantations, child sacrifice, legalized polygamy and hard-core porn."
Hmm . . . maybe "Imagine" is actually written as a secular theme. I mean, it really could be. I don't see it, but, hey, who really knows except the person who wrote it? LOL. Also, I don't see how they would blame "it" on homosexuals. I'll be honest, though, I don't really see what's so terrible about that at all. I'm a Southern Baptist, and I mean, if this guy is someone who's a leader (per-say) or my religious beliefs, I'm sure he wasn't going off saying something that was totally stupid. Of course, some Christian people are crazy. LOL. There are crazy ones associating with all religions, eh?

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I think - see it as their calling to convert the whole world to Christianity.
That's because we think the rest of the world is going to Hell. *Shrugs.* Like it or not, that's a big part of our religious beliefs. I mean, I know I'm being blunt, but Christians, including me, would be overjoyed if everyone asked God to save them. I don't just mean start going to Christian church services, either. I mean if everyone actually became Christians. We respect other religious beliefs and such, but we really think everyone else is wrong. I'm really not being mean, I swear, I'm just telling you how we believe.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2005, 06:31:20 pm »
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My, My, My!!!

I love Canada.  *Kisses ground*

Just another reason why I'm not moving to America.

Yikes.

Buy me a plane ticket, please? 

Kari, to your comment...Not everyone wants to be saved. I don't, I'd rather burn in hell (if it exists) than believe in something now. I'm not kidding. People that aren't religious, and don't want to be, don't want others telling them to convert. Personally, when the Jehova witnesses come to my house, I get angry. People that aren't religious don't want to be, and that's it. And it's up to them if they want to look into religion, themselves.

But other than that, I think John Lennon was pretty cool.
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Kari, to your comment...Not everyone wants to be saved.
LOL . . . duh! I know that. I was just saying that Christians wanted everyone to want to be saved. Why? 'Cause they do!

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I don't, I'd rather burn in hell (if it exists) than believe in something now. I'm not kidding.

There's no way you can actually believe that. You'd rather live an eternity in complete and total misery . . . in a bottomless pit . . . without a chance of getting out . . . than going to Heaven? I mean, I've heard people say they think they can go to Heaven without getting saved and such, but I've never heard anyone say they'd rather live an eternity (FOREVER) in complete torture and misery than actually believe in something.

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Personally, when the Jehova witnesses come to my house, I get angry.
LOL . . . that's all of us. I realize that people get mad when they feel that religion is being pushed on them, especially in the U.S., and they probably should. I do when people (such as the Jehova's Witnesses) come to my house. Living in a place where there's freedom of religion, people should really be able to believe any way the want. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we, as Christians, want everyone to be saved, because we straight-up think you're going to Hell if you aren't. It's a very simple concept, really.

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I love Canada.  *Kisses ground*

Just another reason why I'm not moving to America.

LOL . . . well aren't we opposites? I wouldn't move to Canada (much less go there) if someone threatened to kill me if I didn't go. *Shrugs.* No offense to you, I just really don't like most of Canadian thought as a whole . . . or at least the Canadian thought that's been portrayed to me on A & F and on television.

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But other than that, I think John Lennon was pretty cool.
There's something we can agree on.

Hmm . . . are we totally off-topic, or what?
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2005, 06:43:15 pm »
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Simple perhaps, but not something everyone wants.

I mean, I've met lots of people who live life completly different.
These things don't matter to them, (religion) so it doesn't concern them.


Either way, the dude in the artical needs a good flashback to the 60's. A beer, and a nice concert. Blamming everything on everyone else except yourself won't do anything.

And plus, John Lennon is dead, so he's really not that much of a threat. 
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And plus, John Lennon is dead, so he's really not that much of a threat.

LOL . . . ain't that the truth?!?

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Meet the Dominionists -- biblical literalists who believe God has called them to take over the U.S. government.

What's so wrong with biblical literalists?

Hmm . . . you know, though, I've been thinking a lot about this subject lately. I've drawn a conclusion about religion and politics. According to our Constitution, they really shouldn't intermix at all. I mean, I'll admit that I'm definitely on this guy's side when it comes to morals, but that doesn't mean we should try making people have our morals. It really isn't right politically. LOL. It's right morally, though. I think that's why government and religion will always clash a little, especially in America.

Anyways, like I said, these people are being portrayed as trying to cram God down peoples' throats, and that really isn't what they should be doing if they actually are. Nobody's going to accept Him at all if they go about doing things in that manner. I see what they're doing as a good thing, personally, and since Bush is a Christian, I guess he does, too. I mean, you can't really expect a person to put aside their beliefs because there are other people that don't have them, do you? I think that goes for everybody, including the President of the United States. If I was President, there's no way I'd start wars, and there's no way I'd condone abortion of any kind. I wouldn't put anybody to death under me, and I would never, ever allow drug usage or homosexual marriage. That's just what I believe, and I wouldn't set it aside just to make other people happy. I'm sure none of you would either, just because you don't think it's right to go against what you think is best.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2005, 07:01:31 pm »
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Homosexual marriage isn't hurting anyone.

And, I think not allowing something as simple as marriage to people shows alot about a leader. And it's NOTHING good, or to be proud of. Sometimes, in situations like this, you have to be excepting. And I find people in America have the most trouble excepting others when they are considerd "different". That's partly why the world has serious problems with your leader. He is not excepting, and to a country who is "leading" the world, you have to push yourself to become more excepting.

I would put my beliefs (If i was religious) in the closet if I was president. I am not the country, and the country is NOT me.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2005, 07:14:21 pm »
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Yay, the topic finally took off! (What's with the huge font all the sudden?)

I'll admit that Imagine has a secular theme, but taking it as far as child sacrifice and pornagraphy is absolutely outrageous.

I honestly feel that the Dominionists are doing what they think is right - I do believe that. I just think they're frikkin' nuts. I don't understand biblical literalists at all.... There are too many variables, and too many differences and contradictions in the Bible. (Mind you, I don't think that discredits it, I just don't think you should take everything word for word. Hell, you can't take Faulker or Hemmingway word for word either.)

WARNING: GRAMMAR NAZI EMERGING
It's accepting, accepting - not excepting.

(okay, I'm done)
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Homosexual marriage isn't hurting anyone.
Dang . . . I didn't want to turn this into another debate. It is hurting people, though. It's hurting homosexuals physically and hurting everyone else morally. Like I said, though, that's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. Bush is entitled to his. You're entitled to yours.

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I would put my beliefs (If i was religious) in the closet if I was president. I am not the country, and the country is NOT me.
Since you aren't religious, you obviously couldn't say. I mean, if I wasn't religious I don't know what I'd do. I'd be a totally different person. Still, though, America voted for someone that had my opinions and knew what they were. Why would I ever "put them in the closet?" That's silly. You can't be expected to throw away your opinions, religious or not. Religious beliefs are usually a big part of who a person is if they are religious. I mean, if you didn't have them, you wouldn't be able to make any decision at all.
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