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« Reply #750 on: May 24, 2004, 04:02:46 pm »

I came into this thread quite late, but I shall add my two cents anyway. Haha. Ahem.

To say that it was 'the best movie of the summer/year' is complete crap, in my opinion. I mean, not only was it blatantly inaccurate, but there was no.. feeling or depth to the film. I felt no emotion, even when the heros died. No tears came to my eyes, because I was not transported back to Troy. I was simply sitting in a movie theater watching pretty men play swords in skirts. Mind you, some of the battles were worth seeing, but other than that.. eh. It was lacking a lot.

But really.. what were you expecting?? It's a huge beyond huge Hollywood production, with the very biggest names in the business starring in it... of course you're not going to get an accurate adaptation. In fact, anyone going into that theater with hopes of the adaptation holding up to even the tailend of LotR should just point and laugh at themselves right now.

But oh well. It held the spectacle for people like my mother, who don't go to movies for historical or intellectual reasons - they go to be entertained; to see a story with nice things to look at, and a few battles here and there. A very buff Brad Pitt (and his bum, of course), and a curly-haired Orlando Bloom didn't hurt, either.

For me.. I probably won't see it again. I mean, I was mildly entertained for the 2 hours and 40-some odd minutes that I was watching it, but I wasn't totally drawn in. I found myself noting odd things in scenery, or odd things in speech... anything but think about the actual movie. And, I'm sorry, I know it was part of his character, but as soon as Orlando whipped out the bow and arrow, that was it; I was gone.

So, nice try, Troy writers and directors. You made a pretty spectacle, but a pretty lack-luster story.. Meh.

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« Reply #751 on: May 24, 2004, 05:32:08 pm »


Quote from: Val *The pervert* on May 23, 2004, 08:44:52 am   

I don't care what people say, the acting was good, the effects were good, the cinematography, everything!

I agree.

I doubt that I'll make a point to see Troy again, but aside from its loose interpretation of Homer's works, it was NOT that bad.

If people were looking for a true to form version of the Greek mythology, they ought to look elsewhere.
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« Reply #752 on: May 25, 2004, 04:33:26 am »


Quote from: *Faith* on May 24, 2004, 03:00:29 pm   


Quote from: Val *The pervert* on May 23, 2004, 08:44:52 am   

I saw the film on Friday night, and I must sayit was brilliant.

I don't care what people say, the acting was good, the effects were good, the cinematography, everything!

And how can anyone say that Brad Pitt's performance wasn't good. He was f*cking brilliant!

I just saw it last night.. and I agree with you. I loved it.
Yeah so it didn't follow the book perfectly.
So the music was a little annoying.
It was still fun as hell to watch.. I'd go see it again.


Quote from: Daisy Duke on May 24, 2004, 04:02:46 pm   

I was simply sitting in a movie theater watching pretty men play swords in skirts. Mind you, some of the battles were worth seeing, but other than that.. eh. It was lacking a lot.

But really.. what were you expecting?? It's a huge beyond huge Hollywood production, with the very biggest names in the business starring in it... of course you're not going to get an accurate adaptation. In fact, anyone going into that theater with hopes of the adaptation holding up to even the tailend of LotR should just point and laugh at themselves right now.

But oh well. It held the spectacle for people like my mother, who don't go to movies for historical or intellectual reasons - they go to be entertained; to see a story with nice things to look at, and a few battles here and there. A very buff Brad Pitt (and his bum, of course), and a curly-haired Orlando Bloom didn't hurt, either.



Quote from: HerMajesty on May 24, 2004, 05:32:08 pm   


I doubt that I'll make a point to see Troy again, but aside from its loose interpretation of Homer's works, it was NOT that bad.

If people were looking for a true to form version of the Greek mythology, they ought to look elsewhere.

I totally agree with you, girls.

And for cinematographic adaptations, a few example:

  • 1940's Pride and Prejudice with Laurence Olivier traslated the story in the middle on '800, not at the beginning, and thay did a mess of almost everything. Olivier, though, is a perfect Mr Darcy (he and Colin Firth hardly beat one the other)

  • Forrest Gump, the movie, is completely different from the book. Actually, the movie is better than the book.

  • In Jane Champion's Portrait of a Lady with Nicole Kidman in the end Isabel steps on Ralph's dying bed and kisses him. That's not Henry James, but it still works.


Jackie, thanks for the recommendations. I've already read both Doctor Jeckyll & Mister Hyde and Portrait of Dorian Gray. As for Jeckyll, I totally loved Stephen Fears' Mary Reilly with Julia Roberts and John Malkovich. It's very sensual.
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« Reply #753 on: May 25, 2004, 07:41:13 pm »


Quote from: Daisy Duke on May 24, 2004, 04:02:46 pm   

But really.. what were you expecting??

Not much, but when Agamemnon died, so did my mythology geek (like I said up there somewhere).  I was shocked.  I know Clytaemnestra and all that weren't relative to the immediate plot, but geez, that was totally unexpected.

Ah well.  Nothing I can do but say, "Wow."

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« Reply #754 on: May 26, 2004, 04:44:29 am »


AAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

lmao! Mirabelle that is hilarious.


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« Reply #755 on: May 26, 2004, 08:37:38 am »


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Pssst... has anyone seen this yet?  I find it funny.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-05-24

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As for Menelaus, I read this in a Mythology book:

During the seizing of Troy, Menelaus found Helen waiting in the temple. Mad with anger, he wanted to kill her, but Helen stripped her breast naked. Seen such a beautiful spot, Menelaus changed his idea and cried: "Helen, Helen, my love!", and they came back together to Sparta.

Their travel back home was quite as long as Ulisses' one. They took 8 years to reach Sparta. Arrived in Sparta, they welcomed Ulisses' son Telemacus who was looking for his father.

There is a version in which the Helen carried by Paris to Troy is not the real Helen. The gods changed her with a ghost Helen, so when Menelaus finally found Helen in Troy, the Gods made the ghost Helen disappear and restored the real Helen (who has waited all the time in Egypt) to Menelaus.
This is to protect the fidelity of Helen that was a divine creature.
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« Reply #756 on: May 30, 2004, 08:25:05 am »

I went to see Troy last last, and have composed a review inside my simple mind!
- Brad Pitt and Eric Bana performed a superb fight! I was willing for either one of them to win! They were both brilliant!
- Many of the battle scenes were finely planned and beautifully performed by all actors - it's obvious how much effort was put into this film.
- Peter O'Toole deserves an Oscar for his performance!
- Whatever possessed anyone to choose Diana Kruger as Helen is beyond me! We're talking about the face which launched a thousand ships here - i wouldn't launch a rocket for that face i'm afraid! As far as i'm concerned, she was quite pretty in her own small way, but the role should have really gone to a stunner like Helena Bonham Carter, Catherine Zeta Jones or even our own gorgeous Liv Tyler! It irritates me how producers place weaker women in such powerful roles - and why Helen of Troy has always been portrayed as a blonde still astounds me... Helen is Greek. Greeks weren't blonde - they were caucasian. Elizabeth Taylor remains the best choice of Helen so far... In my opinion anyway!
- I'm sorry... You all know its coming... Orlando Bloom. He was not the best choice for Paris what so ever! Even Diane Kruger showed more emotion than he did... C'mon man; you're brother has just been killed in cold blood, and is at that moment, being dragged across the desert in disrespect, but you don't shed one tear... The brother you loved is dead. Nothing yet? No? He just has no expression, he maintained the same face throughout the whole film, and he just doesn't show any character... In my opinion, he was just placed there as a face to pull crowds of girls into the cinema - you could say the same for Brad Pitt, but Brad Pitt has been recognized as a very fine actor, which is a damn sight more than i can say for Orlando i'm afraid. He doesn't stride confidence, which is what a screen actor needs the most. Somebody like Joseph Fiennes or Joaquin Phoenix would have been perfect choices. It also irritated me, that the two main characters, as it were, who started the whole war and should feel the guilt, reek emotion, just happened to be the two most boring actors, that Hollywood could come up with. Pitiful. I did read in many reviews, that both Orlando Bloom and Diane Kruger were the weak links throughout the whole film.
- I'm a fan of Brendan Gleeson and was proud to see such a great performance from him.
- If an award goes out to a best supporting actor next year, it should be either Eric Bana, or Peter O'Toole.
- The story was changed quite a bit - it certainly wasn't faithful to the plot of Achilles.
- Sean Bean in a skirt - need i say anymore?
- I totally enjoyed the film! It is definitely one of the best epic films to be recreated - despite plot switches most of the time. It's certainly a film i'd go and see again!
- They ended up using my fire arrow ideas! SQUEEE! My friend, Laura and i, decided that we would have been great in the Trojan war, as commentators of weaponry and traps! We were planning surprise attacks and that all the way through! LOL!

OK... Please don't get shirty if you disagree with any of my views. This is my opinion! That doesn't mean i'm right, it's just the way I see things.
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« Reply #757 on: May 30, 2004, 09:13:18 am »

Grawsywoll, ok, it is your opinion, but i read somewhere that Helen Of Sparta (and of Troy) was blonde... Yeah, exactly. She is a semi god, her father was Zeus. I don't know exaclty where she was from... And it seems to be "logical" she was blonde, it is rare in Greece and so, "all" the men found she was beautiful and felt in love with her.

However, for the rest, i am agree with you, about Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Olrando Bloom, Peter O'Toole, Sean Bean in skirt 
And, yes, Diane Kruger wasn't really gorgeous, but quite pretty.
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« Reply #758 on: May 30, 2004, 09:26:23 am »

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« Reply #759 on: May 30, 2004, 03:30:53 pm »


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« Reply #760 on: May 31, 2004, 01:39:17 am »


Quote from: Grawsywoll on May 30, 2004, 09:26:23 am   

Thank you!
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I liked your post... heck, it almost convinced me that I liked the movie (well, nearly ). I agree though - the battle scenes were quite well done.
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« Reply #761 on: May 31, 2004, 11:40:33 am »

did the battles scenes remind you LOTR ? cuz, me, yes, it did... how the warriors charged each others, it reminded me Orcs at Helms Deep or the Charge of Eorlingas in the Pelenors Field.

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« Reply #762 on: May 31, 2004, 03:51:18 pm »

Yes, Flow, when the soldiers gathered under Troy's walls, it reminded me of Helm's Deep! Amazing! And Orlando blowing his arrows as Legolas... lol.
Diane Kruger was pretty good in her portrait of Helen, but Helen should be incredibly beautiful and she doesn't.
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« Reply #763 on: June 02, 2004, 09:33:12 am »

Hmmm, I'm I the only one who thought Diane was very beautiful.

Lol, there was so much reference to LOTR in that film it made me giggle. Like when Priam visited Achilles in his tent, I got a deja vu when Lord Elrond talked to Aragorn in ROTK
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« Reply #764 on: June 07, 2004, 05:05:57 am »

hehe i had that too, valikins!

i thought orlando did better than in POTC, which might not be saying evry much, but hey.
guess he's good at playing the weak fish-eyed one.

i didn't like Pitt though. he can do much better than that (legends of the fall for instance)

the girls were rather ridiculous, i mean, they just had to shut up and be pretty. realistic, perhaps, but irritating. and i don't think their eyeliner was so  perfect in real life...

there are similarities between all battle movies, lotr being one, so duh
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