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Raiwen
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Re:The Passion of the Christ
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2004, 06:27:19 am »

I've always thought that Jesus had children and a wife. It doesn't say it in the Bible but he was 33 before he started his mission and I always thought he would have married in that time. Just my belief.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2004, 10:46:02 am »

Oooh, Jackie's having a long say on Mel Gibson and 'The Passion of the Christ' now... it's out March 25th and follows the last twelve hours of Jesus' life. Very very controversial film, but looks incredible.

Y'know what? I think Mel Gibson has done a great thing with 'The Passion of Christ'. Despite what people are saying about him and the film, it's not anti-Semitic.

It's actually a very accurate interpretation of the last few hours of Jesus' life, apart from a few things, ie. Jesus was actually nailed to the cross through the wrists and his legs were crossed and bent to prevent support - crucificied victims actually suffocated more than anything; Barrabus didn't actually exist - barra bus means 'Son of the Father': it's ironic.

But back to anti-Semitism. The hand that nails Jesus to the cross was actually Mel Gibson's own hand - symbolic of the fact that it wasn't the Jews or the Romans who killed Jesus, but everybody. It was you, it was me, it was the people in general. The cast have received death-threats since the making of the film, and Jim Caviezel sent out a prayer request to pray about how the film would be received and for the safety of the cast. It was sent from LA and reached my church in London.

I found this on the net, from The Straits Times:
A devout Roman Catholic, Caviezel said he would not have been involved in the film if he had seen a hint of anti-Semitism.

'Anytime something would happen that could appear anti-Semitic, Mel's like, 'Take it out,' Caviezel said. 'It was never about playing a blame game.'


And from Killer Movies.com Mel Gibson himself has said:
"Neither I nor my film are anti-Semitic ... Nor do I hate anybody -- certainly not the Jews. They are my friends and associates ... Anti-Semitism is not only contrary to my personal beliefs, it is also contrary to the core message of my movie. ... The film is meant to inspire, not offend. ... For those concerned about the content of this film, know that it conforms to the narratives of Christ's passion and death found in the four Gospels of the New Testament."

Right. Done with my Christian pro-Passion spiel now

~*Jackie*~
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2004, 01:40:16 pm »


Quote from: ~*Jackie*~ on February 23, 2004, 10:46:02 am   

Oooh, Jackie's having a long say on Mel Gibson and 'The Passion of the Christ' now... it's out March 25th and follows the last twelve hours of Jesus' life. Very very controversial film, but looks incredible.

Y'know what? I think Mel Gibson has done a great thing with 'The Passion of Christ'. Despite what people are saying about him and the film, it's not anti-Semitic.

It's actually a very accurate interpretation of the last few hours of Jesus' life, apart from a few things, ie. Jesus was actually nailed to the cross through the wrists and his legs were crossed and bent to prevent support - crucificied victims actually suffocated more than anything; Barrabus didn't actually exist - barra bus means 'Son of the Father': it's ironic.

But back to anti-Semitism. The hand that nails Jesus to the cross was actually Mel Gibson's own hand - symbolic of the fact that it wasn't the Jews or the Romans who killed Jesus, but everybody. It was you, it was me, it was the people in general. The cast have received death-threats since the making of the film, and Jim Caviezel sent out a prayer request to pray about how the film would be received and for the safety of the cast. It was sent from LA and reached my church in London.

I found this on the net, from The Straits Times:
A devout Roman Catholic, Caviezel said he would not have been involved in the film if he had seen a hint of anti-Semitism.

'Anytime something would happen that could appear anti-Semitic, Mel's like, 'Take it out,' Caviezel said. 'It was never about playing a blame game.'


And from Killer Movies.com Mel Gibson himself has said:
"Neither I nor my film are anti-Semitic ... Nor do I hate anybody -- certainly not the Jews. They are my friends and associates ... Anti-Semitism is not only contrary to my personal beliefs, it is also contrary to the core message of my movie. ... The film is meant to inspire, not offend. ... For those concerned about the content of this film, know that it conforms to the narratives of Christ's passion and death found in the four Gospels of the New Testament."

Right. Done with my Christian pro-Passion spiel now

~*Jackie*~

Holy... wow, wish I could be that in depth. That's interesting about Gibson's hand doing the nailing. I can't believe the cast are getting death threats. that's completely wrong and sick.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2004, 01:41:11 pm »

I have a question for any Catholics here-  I know that Mel Gibson is a strong Catholic, so im sure that this movie is going to be showing Jesus from a Catholic point of view; but what is the catholic point of view on Jesus?  I think im right in saying that they worship his mother - Mary, but do they shove Jesus in the background at all?

I really do not know very much about Catholicism, and don't really want to see a movie about Jesus if it has a completely different point of view than my own faith.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2004, 01:46:03 pm »

I'm catholic. We do worship Mary almost on a level with Christ and the trinity but it is Christ himself who is central to the faith. He is not shoved into the background. Even on days like the Assumption which is about Mary Jesus plays a strong part. She is worshipped because of her great faith and role as the mother of Christ, she is not worshipped instead of him.
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2004, 02:16:05 pm »


Quote from: Rai on February 23, 2004, 01:40:16 pm   
Holy... wow, wish I could be that in depth. That's interesting about Gibson's hand doing the nailing. I can't believe the cast are getting death threats. that's completely wrong and sick.

Heh, I tend to go on a bit with my pro-Christian views regarding this film. It really isn't one to be taken lightly and everybody should see it - it's going to be amazing.

And yeah, it's awful, isn't it? Such a shame that people can't seem to see it for the encouraging movie that it is, and instead have to bring it down. I tried to explain to my Jewish friend today that it's not anti-Semitic and she just glared at me and walked away. It's too difficult to try to explain to your peers about matters like this

And as for the Catholic views - I'm protestant, but isn't Mary more important to the Catholic faith? It just seems that wheneven I'm in a primarily Catholic country like Spain and walk into a cathedral, there are always multiple statues of the Virgin with Christ in her arms, or indeed just the Virgin, rather than many of Christ. It's very interesting.

~*Jackie*~
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2004, 06:13:47 pm »

I just watched the making of this movie, it looks great!!!!!!!!!!!! So passionate!

Its a shame, they claim Mel Gibson will never get another Oscar for making a movie like this.  Hollywood does not favor Christianity 
I doubt he cares though, he has received his fair share of awards anyway.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2004, 06:31:24 pm »

I'm Catholic. Mary is worshipped as an important figure in the church, however she does not take the place of Jesus at all. I actually am not quite sure how what we do with Mary is so different from other Christian religions.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2004, 07:01:15 pm »

Well, I can't speak for other Christianity sects, but I grew up a Presbyterian and Mary wasn't held in such a high esteem. Central to our religion was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost rather than Mary in any form. I am not familiar with any religious practices that include Mary so I'm afraid I can't go into detail about that, lol.

One more thing to comment on:


Quote from: VICKY on February 22, 2004, 10:42:07 pm   

I am very strong in my christian faith. 

Whatever this Divinci fellow has to offer, I will not be a witness to because if it's what you all are saying it is, it's not what is written in the Holy Bible. Jesus did have half-brothers but no children because He knew no woman in that way.

Personally, I feel that if one if so strong in his/her faith, he/she is able to look at a certain belief without getting offended; after all, what da Vinci had to say was merely a questionable theory. You can learn all you want about what he put out there without ever having to agree with it.

EDIT: This is just in reference to the Last Supper, though it is rumoured da Vinci has numerous hidden meanings in his paintings. I haven't actually researched it myself.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2004, 08:20:05 pm »

This movie is going to be the most realistic film to ever be made in the past, present adn future. Mel Gibson has done an AMAZING beautiful thing. It's going to be so realistic and to the fact that people will not be able to handle because some Christians would like to sugar coat Jesus' death. Sad but true. Not very many like to think of the TORTURE, HUMILIATION, and SUFFERING He went through. And It's going to be such a slap in the face for some people. Which will be good or bad. And when people see this, I know I willbe, in COMPLETE SWE over the fact that He went through such a torment of pain for US! TO save US! It's....I have, even now, no words for how amazing this movie will be.

Now I am not trying to get you all to go confess your sins and become die hard Christians. What oyu beleive in is your buisness and i dont beleive in converting people.

Side Note: Will this movie have a chance for running into next years Oscars?? *hopes so*


Side Note2: Jim Cavaziel, seems like such a marvelous choice for Jesus, he almost looks like an EXACT replica!


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~*~sorry the Jesus picture isn't HIGH quality. they didnt exactly have digi cams back then!
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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2004, 08:32:47 pm »


Quote from: Girl, Interrupted on February 23, 2004, 08:20:05 pm   

to the fact that people will not be able to handle because some Christians would like to sugar coat Jesus' death. Sad but true. Not very many like to think of the TORTURE, HUMILIATION, and SUFFERING He went through. And It's going to be such a slap in the face for some people.

Tell me, which Christians don't realize Jesus' suffering on the cross? Who "sugar coats" his death? I'm curious. I've never heard of such a thing.



Quote from: Girl, Interrupted on February 23, 2004, 08:20:05 pm   

Side Note2: Jim Cavaziel, seems like such a marvelous choice for Jesus, he almost looks like an EXACT replica!


JIM CAVAZIEL

I personally wouldn't say he's an EXACT replica, but he does look fine for the part, in my opinion. 
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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2004, 09:38:44 pm »

I'm Catholic and Mary has never been worshiped more than Jesus.  The thing is that we pray to her in order for her to pray for us.  That's part of Catholic faith in the Virgin Mary.  We worship her as the mother of God. There are churches all over the world with names of her but those are based on the places where she has appeared.  Like in Lourdes in France, Carmen in Spain, Medugorie (spell?) in Yugoslavia etc. 

Some people don't believe in that, but that's ok. I for one, believe.

btw, i do think Jim Caviezel makes a good Jesus, but this is one of my favorite Jesus of all time, i don't remember his first name, but his last name is Powel in Jesus of Nazareth.

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2004, 11:28:26 pm »

^^Right. Catholics believe Mary is the Mother of God. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death ...
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2004, 01:00:19 am »

The youth pastor at my church saw a special viewing of the film at one of the churches in my home town and Mel was actually there to talked about it. She said that it was quite amazing, but very difficult to watch (I can only imagine). So I am very much looking forward to seeing it.

I think this may be a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone has seen the play, or movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar" and what you thought of it. I personally loved it.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2004, 08:22:51 am »


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I think this may be a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone has seen the play, or movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar" and what you thought of it. I personally loved it.


Andrew Loyd Webber right?  Ya I think so.  Little too pop like for me; at least the version I heard was.  I would rather see Turandot, La Boheme or Manon Lescaut myself.

AND NOT TO FORGET TOSCA
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