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A Critique of Elijah's Films
« on: March 19, 2008, 12:45:22 am »
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We all think Elijah is a gorgeous and brilliant actor, otherwise we wouldn't be on this site, but....

Time for some unbiased reviewing of his films.  This could be movies you didn't like/understand for whatever reason, or roles you thought E was miscast in or didn't make the most of.

This is not a thread in which to bash the films you don't like, but to explain why you would change certain aspects of them if you could.

Okay, I'll start:          CAUTION -  MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!

I loved the movie Try Seventeen/All I want but I thought the ending copped out by making Jones and Jane reunite at the end.  I thought the story came to a natural (and much more realistic) conclusion when Jones and his mother finally get to the truth about his father.  After  Jones puts away the idea of his perfect fantasy dad and fantasy girl- friend( who has gone back to her exciting but irresponsible  'bad-boy' boyfriend) Jones uses his new-found self-confidence to confront those at College who bullied him.

To my mind, THAT was the perfect place to end this film.  I think I remember reading somewhere that the director caved to pressure from the producers(?) or someone to have a *happy ending* , but to me it doesn't ring true and spoils it slightly.

MOVIE 2:  Green Street Hooligans.  Quite frankly, though I love Elijah and love this movie, I don't really like them TOGETHER.  I'm probably the only one who thinks it, but I think this would have been a better movie without Elijah's character.

WHY?  Well, short American journalism students just would not slot easily into this world...and also, some of E's line were delivered quite awkwardly, like when he runs into the hospital and shouts something like: "Someone f-----g help us!"
The swearing doesn't sound natural (strangely, because Elijah is a *huge* swearer in Real Life). 

Charlie Hunnam was great, though I haven't seen him in anything before or since and the whole Bovver storyline with the betrayal and the consequences was well handled. 

Once again, the ending diappointed me where E's character is back in the States and confronts his nemesis in the bathroom.  To tell the truth I almost laughed out loud because I thought it was slightly absurd.  E just doesn't look physically threatening enough to pull this scene off.  :-

DISCLAIMER:  The above is my personal opinion only and is not meant to cause offense to Elijah or fans who love these films! 
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2008, 11:39:42 am »
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I applaud you Lanta!!!  Too many people think of Elijah as some sort of perfect in every way God, he can be a good actor but still suck in certain films.  I did feel a sense of awkwardness in Green Street Hooligans.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2008, 02:55:20 pm »
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Interesting and good choice of topic lemta, yeah I know what you mean about green street casting.

But there are some good casting choices that were made for him, ie lotr, huck finn, the faculty to name a few
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 07:43:12 pm »
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I didnt understand why did Eli(parney snow) help that italian guy perto to suicide,the way of suicide was alittle bit strang(do you think that was kinda gloreous to die like that? )...

I dont believe his romantic performanc,he seems cold or so (i dnt mean his face emotions,that appear when he kiss ...etc)
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 11:20:59 pm »
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Quote from: Miss Sixty on March 22, 2008, 02:55:20 pm   

Interesting and good choice of topic lemta, yeah I know what you mean about green street casting.

But there are some good casting choices that were made for him, ie lotr, huck finn, the faculty to name a few

I agree that there are DEFINITELY GREAT casting choices for Elijah, that's why I didn't critique them in this thread, as they were perfect for him ( such as Frodo, Huck, Casey, Kevin, Stuart etc.) 
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 11:28:17 pm »
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Quote from: ¥¤Mai¤¥ on March 22, 2008, 07:43:12 pm   

I didnt understand why did Eli(parney snow) help that italian guy perto to suicide,the way of suicide was alittle bit strang(do you think that was kinda gloreous to die like that? )...


Barney knew Mazzo had come to the last few moments of his life anyway and would die in a matter of days or hours.  Mazzo loved to drive really fast when he used to be well and really enjoyed Barney's  vivid descriptions of driving that he had been telling him about earlier.

Mazzo was at this point so ill that both guys knew he would never experience driving by himself ever again, so Barney decided to give him his last wish, but if I recall correctly, Mazzo was already dead (had just died minutes before Barney pushed the wheelchair over the roof).

But Mai I agree it is a bit weird and confusing.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 09:24:51 pm »
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thanks 4 the explaination Lanta

That makes it less weird...
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2008, 11:00:35 am »
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Ok I FINALLY saw Green Street Hooligans.

I agree with alot of what you said, Gem, but for different reasons.

AT FIRST it was a movie I did NOT want to see.  At all. No interest in violent films and the plot seemed really really boring.

When I think of some good kid gone bad I do not think of Elijah Wood.  So I was skeptical thinking he was a "wierd choice" for the role.

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What I didn't like about the movie:

Wood didn't seem a natural "angry" character and some scenes were a little ackward.  He didn't have the depth of emotion as he did as "Frodo"
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That being said I don't think he needed the depth of emotion that "Frodo" had because it wouldn't be appropriate to the type of film he was in. 

At first I thought he gave us  an under angry character but then he also didn't over act.  Which was refreshing.

Also he didn't do the usual expected thing in this movie.  The usual angry sports guy has been done absolutely TO DEATH and Elijah did not do this at all. 
Very refreshing change.
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I can't say I agree that the film would be better without Elijah's character Matt as Matt was sort of the whole point behind the film.

But was Elijah a strange choice for Matt yes and no.
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Re: The bathroom scene.
I totally agree that Elijah does not look threatening enough as he approached the guy BUT that little wicked smile he got after threatening the guy.  That was pure gold.
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Again it was a movie I never would have watched without Elijah and if I haven't said it before I will say it again.

It is always one delightfully different moment after another with Elijah.  Just when you are thinking of him as the hottest thing cooking he appears with coke bottle specs and a plastic bag of dentures.

And just when you are thinking of him as a pacifist hobbit he appears as some skull cracking maniac.

I was skeptical about this one, big time, but over all.  Pleasantly surprised.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 06:35:55 pm »
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While looking for some movie at Blockbuster, I just happened to come across Day Zero, which was a surprise. I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about it and didn't really feel like renting it, but I gave it the benefit of a doubt and did anyway. I watched it today, and boy, it was just awful.

Aside from the horrible writing and completely stereotypical, unrealistic characters that would NEVER for a split second be friends, or stay friends, I was once again disappointed in Elijah's acting. Ever since Frodo, I can't get into any one of his characters, because he just doesn't act naturally or convincingly. I can just see him reciting the script in an awkward, quasi-emotional way that says, "act here". It didn't get any better when he went off the deep-end. In fact, it only got worse. That psycho-smile he gave to the mirror seemed like it was supposed to be gold, but it was just cringe-worthy and almost laughable. Every single scene where he tried to act crazy or toughened  was an utter disaster. This whole movie was a disaster, come to think of it, just like Green Street Hooligans. Same kind of problems.

I'm going to be completely honest even though I'm sure no one will agree with me at all, but I've been waiting for Elijah to stop disappointing me and really show some genuine potential, you know, to prove to me that I wasn't confused when I used to think that Elijah could even act, let alone be a good actor, but it hasn't happened yet. What happened to Frodo, Barney or Stu?

He always shows tenfold more charisma as a model than as an actor, which I don't quite get.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008, 09:38:14 pm »
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WOW!!!  Why don't you say what you really think, Blue Star?!!!  

No, seriously - that's what this thread is for, but I guess I just never thought there would be anyone on A&F who was quite so down on Elijah/his acting skills!

Unfortunately, although I agree that Lij showed potential as a child actor that he is yet to fulfil in most of his adult roles, I don't things are quite as dire as you seem to think.  I happen to think he was gold in Chain of Fools, Everything Is Illuminated and most of Try Seventeen (I only took issue with parts of the plot in this case, not E's acting))...

I DO however, see the 'tough guy persona' as hard to pull off in general for Elijah - but when you are a thin, kinda short guy who looks like a porcelain angel, one would imagine it would be rather tricky for the best of actors to pull off a convincing 'thuggish' character...

I am, however, still waiting for him to top what he did with Stu(The War), Huck Finn or Mikey(Radio Flyer)... and though it wasn't a huuuge role, I thought he shined as a great actor in The Ice Storm.

And yeah, he is an absolute natural as a model - but that's what got him started in this business in the first place isn't it?
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 11:55:36 pm »
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Yeah Gem agree he was the best in his childhood roles and of course lotr
I love most of his later work with exception of a couple but yeah roles such as the war, huck finn and radio flyer have yet to be surpassed
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 01:04:53 am »
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Quote from: Lanta the Gemstar on June 14, 2008, 09:38:14 pm   

WOW!!!  Why don't you say what you really think, Blue Star?!!!   :-

No, seriously - that's what this thread is for, but I guess I just never thought there would be anyone on A&F who was quite so down on Elijah/his acting skills!

Yeah, well, I just had to vent sooner or later. I'm not as into Elijah as I used to be, but as you can clearly see, I still have attachments. A part of me still hopes. Elijah's extremely beautiful and a wonderful person, and talented most of the time, don't get me wrong, but I'm just disappointed and resentful about his acting quality as of late.


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Unfortunately, although I agree that Lij showed potential as a child actor that he is yet to fulfil in most of his adult roles, I don't things are quite as dire as you seem to think.  I happen to think he was gold in Chain of Fools, Everything Is Illuminated and most of Try Seventeen (I only took issue with parts of the plot in this case, not E's acting))...

Well yes, those films you mentioned were pretty good to me as well... even though I had a couple slight issues with him in EII.


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I DO however, see the 'tough guy persona' as hard to pull off in general for Elijah - but when you are a thin, kinda short guy who looks like a porcelain angel, one would imagine it would be rather tricky for the best of actors to pull off a convincing 'thuggish' character...

I'm not talking about his physical appearance, though. He could still make a really interesting 'tough guy'- like Kevin in Sin City. There are a lot of small tough guy actors too. What I'm really talking about is his facial expressions, mannerisms and voice. I noticed in Day Zero that he gave a whole lot of wide-eyed stares and mouth twitches that were just forced, uncomfortable to watch and didn't suspend my disbelief. I should probably cut him some slack, though, since he was working off of an already two-dimensional, flawed stereotype of a "neurotic wimp" that wasn't really a person as much as a concept. There was no real background on him, or motivations for him to be the kind of person he was, it seemed to me.

However, that isn't really the point, even. I just generally lament the fact that Elijah can be so uncomfortable and distracting to watch "perform", next to most other actors who just seem more natural and just blend into the world and their roles, as if they were real people. That's how you know their acting is successful. I hate this over-exaggerated 'fragile geek' shtick in a lot of new roles he's doing (well, and some old roles as well). I just wish there was more range and depth that he would show through his characters, even the weaker ones. Because that's more real. Instead of looking at him in that movie and thinking, "Aaron Feller is sad", I look at him and think, "Elijah Wood is trying to look sad as this pretend guy". I don't like being harsh on him, but it hurts when he disappoints me like this and drags the show down. He would be eaten alive if he were on a show like Lost (figuratively).


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I am, however, still waiting for him to top what he did with Stu(The War), Huck Finn or Mikey(Radio Flyer)... and though it wasn't a huuuge role, I thought he shined as a great actor in The Ice Storm.

Yes, The Ice Storm was another great one.


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And yeah, he is an absolute natural as a model - but that's what got him started in this business in the first place isn't it? :-

What does that have to do with his acting?
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 02:55:21 am »
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What do you mean "what does that have to do with his acting"?   (Re:  Elijah's modelling background) .... Well, Blue Star, you brought it up first when you said:  "He always shows tenfold more charisma as a model than as an actor, which I just don't get"...

And I just meant, he was originally asked to try out for acting roles (as a small child) due to his natural ability as a model...his photogenic looks etc. 

Models do not always evolve into great actors, but there were all sorts of early indications that Elijah would be an exception. (tehe, no pun intended! )

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Also, I'd be interested to know what you didn't like about him in Everything is Illuminated. (?)  As I've explained in another thread, I believe he was marginally outshone in this film by Eugene Hutz, but possibly only because Eugene had the bulk of the "funny" lines, while Elijah's character was the 'straight man' to Hutz' Alex.

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 09:20:04 am »
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Well Elijah has been taking care of that he's not remembered as Frodo alone. But it's harder to avoid of getting stuck to a certain typecast, than a single character only. I think that's what eventually makes it harder to get used to the different typecast. It's easier to stay in the "mould" that you have chosen yourself. But Lij likes challenges, and challenges are those that he has done.

Let's take Tom Hanks. His typecast has been usually an easy guy who is good to be laid back with when he's around. I saw a review of his movie where he suddenly was a bad guy, and the critic just did'nt seem to find his role credible enough because of typecast. But this might as well just be an issue of the viewer being used to something and knowing what the person wants and expects from someone.

Lij's usual typecast has been a different, slightly misunderstood guy who manages to save the day in the end though it's not always planned. Even Frodo is one of this typecast, perhaps most distinctively.

So which one is more safer or risky to the career of an actor - to be loyal to your typecast or avoid it? I always cannot tell. Maybe the golden road is somewhere in beetween.
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