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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2005, 01:40:15 pm »
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Quote from: Moonlit Sky on November 07, 2005, 12:37:00 pm   

um, i kinda didnt like the prologue. it was like reading a History book to me (which is my worst subject  ) i didnt enjoy it... in fact (dont hate me forever guys!) i kinda just skimmed it and only actually read about the Hobbits. 

Of course we don't hate you.   Different people like different things.  I will admit that on a level of pure enjoyment, I like reading the main story better than the prologue.  But, I love the prologue for what it is and what it means to Tolkien's "universe" that we get to enter in the story.

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Quote from: Cristiel on November 07, 2005, 01:31:36 pm   
So, what did you girls think about the difference between the books and the movies? Which one did you like more?

As I said above, the biggest difference for me was that Frodo sold Bag End in the book whereas he doesn't do this in the film. I saw the film before I read the book and naturally assumed he would keep the house and when I read that he had sold it, I felt a little... sad(?) I can't exactly pinpoint the emotion, but Bag End was obviously so close to Frodo's heart and it felt sad that he sold it. I wonder why Peter Jackson changed this part in the movie.

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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2005, 01:52:25 pm »
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Well, one of the main differences in the movie, was that they had to compress the timeframe and leave out a lot of stuff before the hobbits were traveling.  With Frodo leaving immediately, there really wasn't time or opportunity to have done all that planning or to have sold the house.  And, as much as I think it really does matter to the story in the book, it was one of those things that was pretty easy to leave out of the movie without it causing problems of understanding or anything.  In the movie, the sadness comes from jumping up and leaving everything he's known suddenly and with minimal preparation and it also moves the story along.

I feel like I'm rambling and saying very little, so that means i should just stop here. 
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Quote from: Moonlit Sky on November 07, 2005, 12:37:00 pm   

um, i kinda didnt like the prologue. it was like reading a History book to me (which is my worst subject  ) i didnt enjoy it... in fact (dont hate me forever guys!) i kinda just skimmed it and only actually read about the Hobbits. 

Of course, we don't hate you! You can like and dislike what you want.


But for me I love the prologue, I love History, I was pretty good at school.... and my brother is History/Geography, so.... And I love the chapter Concerning Hobbits, it's so cute.

Now I will start the chapter 4!
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2005, 02:40:59 pm »
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Wow!  This is already on page 2 and I am just joining in.  I absolutely enjoyed reading the Prologue and first three chapters.  I must confess that the first time I read the books (summer of 2004) I read them very quickly only because I wanted to see what the differences were from the books and the movies.  I did not fully enjoy them. This time I am thoroughly enjoying the book for the book's sake. 

I love Tolien's literary style.  I ever never seen a "writing style" quite like his before but I love it.

I found the prologue very interesting but I enjoyed the actual story more.

When Frodo was taking his time leaving the Shire, I found myself thinking "Get out, get out before the Black Riders come!"  I was "nervous" about him staying in the Shire so long. 

And, after reading these three chapters, I love Sam's character more than ever!  I love certain phrases he uses like "Begging your pardon but...."

As far as the differences between the books and the movies, I don't really have a favorite at this point (though I probably will when we finish reading the books) but I am glad the books and the movies are not just alike.  That way there will be some surprises in the book.

More later.  This post is alreay long enough. 

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And, after reading these three chapters, I love Sam's character more than ever!  I love certain phrases he uses like "Begging your pardon but...."

yeah! My quote worked!

ALL of Tolkien's heroes have certain qualities, the greatest of which is humility. You will see that the more pride a character has, the more likely he is to trip up, so to speak.

Tolkien's heroes aren't like the ones we are used to these days, which are actually anti-heroes. That's not to say that anti-heroes are bad, its just a different "style" of hero.

I am going to avoid the literary term for this kind of hero until I know you all better, but if you look at TOlkien's heroes (and they are many) you will see that they are all humble. Frodo, Sam, Aragorn, Gandalf - all were reluctant fighters. We will see how Tolkien uses pride as a fatal flaw as you proceed.

Has everyone here seen the films? I don't want to spoil anything for any one and I haven't been here long enough to know.

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2005, 05:27:50 pm »
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Good idea, Rach.  Anyone who hasn't seen the films, please let us know here.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2005, 08:32:49 pm »
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After reading the first few chapters, I get the same impression I got when I read them for the very first time, many years before the movies.

The relationship between Sam and Frodo is one of the most touching, honest and beautiful friendships in literary history. Sam devotion to Frodo is of the purest love. It's a credit to Elijah and Sean that were able to portray this so well in the movies.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2005, 08:39:19 pm »
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see, i dont see the friendship between Frodo and Sam as strong as i know its going to get yet. my guess it will really show itself more when Frodo and Sam go off by themselves at the end of this book....maybe earlier, i dont know...
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2005, 09:14:31 pm »
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I see your point, Moonlit, but think about this. The friendship HAD to exist before the quest began. Look at what Sam did, what he gave up to go with Frodo. He had an elderly father he took care of (the gaffer had given up gardening 18 years before because he was no longer able to do the work). Sam was ALREADY in love with Rose, but he gave her up too. Sam told people that if Frodo didn't return, he wouldn't either. This is BEFORE they left Hobbiton! He was fully prepared to give up the life he had in the Shire. That kind of devotion isn't simply employee loyalty. There had to be a deep friendship there, too, the kind that has to be built over time.

The relationship started long before the book. It had to. Nothing else makes sense. But it DID grow even stronger through the trials of the quest.

Oh dear! There is a point I'd like to make but it might be a spoiler. Better keep it to myself ! LOL

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I see your point, Moonlit, but think about this. The friendship HAD to exist before the quest began. Look at what Sam did, what he gave up to go with Frodo. He had an elderly father he took care of (the gaffer had given up gardening 18 years before because he was no longer able to do the work). Sam was ALREADY in love with Rose, but he gave her up too. Sam told people that if Frodo didn't return, he wouldn't either. This is BEFORE they left Hobbiton! He was fully prepared to give up the life he had in the Shire. That kind of devotion isn't simply employee loyalty. There had to be a deep friendship there, too, the kind that has to be built over time.

The relationship started long before the book. It had to. Nothing else makes sense. But it DID grow even stronger through the trials of the quest.

Oh dear! There is a point I'd like to make but it might be a spoiler. Better keep it to myself ! LOL

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well, Sam is obviously showing care for Frodo, and i dont doubt that they were really good friends, it just seems like Frodo is better friends with Merry and Pippin than he is with Sam. but thats just what i'm noticing now...i'm sure it will make itself more evident later on in the book or series.
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I think you have a good point Moonlit Sky.  Because Frodo's relationship with Merry and Pippin is made much more clear in the book, they do seem a bit closer than Sam.  But, one reason for that is the nature of the relationships.  Frodo and Sam are certainly friends, but they are also employer/employee and they have different statuses.  Merry and Pippin share Frodo's higher status, so are friends without the cross-status issue and at least Merry is also a cousin of some sort (is Pippin too?).
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2005, 09:31:12 pm »
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Both Merry and Pippin are Frodo's cousins. Merry is a bit closer.

It looks like we are saying that Sam is closer to Frodo than Frodo is to Sam...

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Quote from: Storyteller on November 07, 2005, 09:31:12 pm   

It looks like we are saying that Sam is closer to Frodo than Frodo is to Sam...
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2005, 10:08:42 pm »
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Ok, I can live with that assessment. Poor Sam. That's a hard place to be.

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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2005, 10:28:33 pm »
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I get the idea that Sam fully respects, admires and loves Frodo.  And I think Frodo likes Sam very much.  But I agree that Sam is probably closer to Frodo than Frodo is to Sam....at least at this point.

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