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« on: November 06, 2005, 03:52:23 am »
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Now that the first part of the assignment is almost over, I thought it was about time to start a discussion thread. In order not to spoil things for people who are reading a bit slower, I have to ask you only to discuss those chapters that we have been reading the previous week and not the chapters of the current week. This thread is open for everyone who has read the books, you donít have to be part of the book reading club to participate in this discussion. But please, do respect our reading schedule (which can be found HERE).

What are your thoughts about the prologue and first three chapters? What did you like? What didnít you like? And for those of you who are reading LotR for the very first time.. Does the book meet your expectations?

Happy reading!

PS: please keep this thread for discussions about the books, other questions or remarks can go in the other thread.

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2005, 03:54:51 pm »
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I always love the "Concerning Hobbits" section. Tolkien really gives us a background, a history if you will, of his creation!

It is in the first chapter that I feel in love (so to speak) with Sam Gamgee, when he is sitting in the pub being laughed at because he believes in dragons. I really identify with him there, because I have always been a practical person with a side that believes in more.

I'm going to try not to say too much right away! LOL

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2005, 04:35:51 pm »
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I know what you mean, it makes it so much more real. I always love books where the characters have a history and don't just live in the present. I also love the way how Peter Jackson incorporated the prologue in the EE of FotR.

Sam is just very naive, which makes him so adorable. I think that's one of the main reasons that makes him such a beloved character.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2005, 04:54:20 pm »
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so far, i absolutely adore Pippin. he's so funny!

it's pretty different so far. in the sense that Pippin goes along with Frodo and Sam, they not only see but talk to the Elves, and Frodo waits a lot longer to leave than he does in the movies. also, that whole bit about selling his house to Lobelia and moving to Buckland? where is he going to go at the end of his journey when he comes back to the Shire before leaving Middle-Earth? does he go back to Buckland instead? that would be a bit weird, but i guess we'll see...

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2005, 05:11:48 pm »
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if you think that's different, wait till you get to the very end, the TRUE end of the story wasn't in the theaters. But don't worry, I won't tell!

I envy you a bit, experiencing it all for the first time! Of course, everytime you read this book, you find something new. I'm STILL finding things!

Yes, Sam IS naive. He's always lived in the Shire, the comfortable, safe Shire! Sean said an interesting thing about it that. He said it is one thing to be ignorant of the world and good, but it is another to learn the things Sam learns,and STILL be good, a sort of informed goodness.

I thought he put it very nicely.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2005, 05:30:52 pm »
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Quote from: Storyteller on November 06, 2005, 05:11:48 pm   

if you think that's different, wait till you get to the very end, the TRUE end of the story wasn't in the theaters. But don't worry, I won't tell!
uh oh....now i'm nervous lol. theres another ending? haha, theres like 50 already!

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2005, 10:39:21 pm »
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Yes, we have definitely seen several differences already between the books and the movies.  I think it's interesting that in the book, it is clear that Merry is a special friend of Frodo's, helping him in several ways.  And, then Pippin accompanies Frodo and Sam.  In the movies, Merry and Pippin are so often a pair and people can't even tell them apart, but in the book they each have a clear and separate relationship with Frodo and don't seem quite as linked with each other - they're friends, but not quite as inseparable.

And, of course, the film completely leaves out meeting Gildor and the other elves.

I agree that Sam is naive and good and completely loveable. 

It was also fun to see several quotes in The Shadow of the Past that are in the film, although several are placed later, like in the conversation between Frodo and Gandalf in Moria (All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.), the introduction spoken by Galadriel (the Ring was lost. . .) and the beginning of ROTK with Smeagol and Deagol.

I think I'll stop there for now. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2005, 01:31:24 am »
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I finished Chapter 3 at midnight last night.
And since it was midnight, I kept reading for 30 minutes more.

This is my second reading of LOTR, and I'm sure it will be just as special, if not more, than the first time.

I love the Prologue - it feels like you're having an actual conversation with Tolkien - as if he is speaking to you. It's really special. And we learn a lot more about Hobbits and their ways, which is great.

When I read for the first time that Frodo sold Bag End (after I'd seen FOTR) I felt a little sad. I'm not sure why, it's only a house but the change seemed so major to me. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is..
Any ideas?

Although I enjoy reading about the Hobbits' journey, and their meetings with the Elves along the way. I would love to try some of that cool honey drink. Does anyone have more info on that?


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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2005, 03:25:33 am »
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Quote from: Moonlit Sky on November 06, 2005, 04:54:20 pm   
... and Frodo waits a lot longer to leave than he does in the movies.

Yeah they live the Shire 17 years later than the movie.

also, that whole bit about selling his house to Lobelia and moving to Buckland? where is he going to go at the end of his journey when he comes back to the Shire before leaving Middle-Earth? does he go back to Buckland instead? that would be a bit weird, but i guess we'll see...

I know the answer, but I don't tell it, because the answer is at the end of the book, and it's bad to tell the end of the story, while people is in the begin of the book!

But, if you want absolutly the answer because you can't wait, tell me in a PM


yay! this is too much fun

I love to see all the differences with the movie.
I maybe read the book for the 8th time, (and the same for the movie) but it's always exciting!

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2005, 12:07:58 pm »
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I mentioned in an email to Cristiel that I'd come across this cartoon from the Nov. 7th issue ot "The New Yorker" and felt it just had to be shared.  I hope you'll all forgive this intrusion into the dicussion (I'll be back later with some questions of my own) but I just had to share this with all of you.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2005, 12:34:24 pm »
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Cute Yeux! 

And, Carina.  I agree.  Having the whole prologue adds such depth to the story with a history and some details about hobbits that may not really be important to the story per se, but add to the feeling that the alternative world is real and complete even if we only see a few of its events and locations.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2005, 12:37:00 pm »
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um, i kinda didnt like the prologue. it was like reading a History book to me (which is my worst subject  ) i didnt enjoy it... in fact (dont hate me forever guys!) i kinda just skimmed it and only actually read about the Hobbits. 
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Hehe Yeux, that's really cute!


Quote from: Celebrian on November 07, 2005, 12:34:24 pm   
And, Carina.  I agree.  Having the whole prologue adds such depth to the story with a history and some details about hobbits that may not really be important to the story per se, but add to the feeling that the alternative world is real and complete even if we only see a few of its events and locations.

Exactly my feeling.
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um, i kinda didnt like the prologue. it was like reading a History book to me (which is my worst subject  ) i didnt enjoy it... in fact (dont hate me forever guys!) i kinda just skimmed it and only actually read about the Hobbits. 

Of course we don't hate you.   Different people like different things.  I will admit that on a level of pure enjoyment, I like reading the main story better than the prologue.  But, I love the prologue for what it is and what it means to Tolkien's "universe" that we get to enter in the story.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2005, 01:31:36 pm »
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That's a funny cartoon indeed, Yeux LOL 


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um, i kinda didnt like the prologue. it was like reading a History book to me (which is my worst subject  ) i didnt enjoy it...  in fact (dont hate me forever guys!) i kinda just skimmed it and only actually read about the Hobbits.   

You're not the only one Moonlit Sky. In fact, my boyfriend, who's reading with us, was reading the prologue and only after five minutes, he looked up and said: "Do I really need to read this? I feel like I'm back at school reading a boring history book." 

Although most people see the prologue as a nice piece of background information, it is not essential to the story. So there's no reason at all to feel bad because you didn't like it.

So, what did you girls think about the difference between the books and the movies? Which one did you like more?
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