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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2004, 05:42:20 pm »


Quote from: Blue Channel on June 12, 2004, 05:33:56 pm   

One reason English was probably easy for you, Crazy is because English is a Germanic language. It is more like German, unlike languages like French, Spanish, or Italian which are all romance languages and are primarily based on Latin.

Yes, that's right! I also learned Latin at school and it really helps me to understand some Spanish, Italian....although I can't speak these languages.

I learned Russian aswell and liked it very, very, much, but it was much more difficult for me than any other language.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2004, 06:28:08 pm »


Quote from: Blue Channel on June 12, 2004, 05:33:56 pm   

One reason English was probably easy for you, Crazy is because English is a Germanic language. It is more like German, unlike languages like French, Spanish, or Italian which are all romance languages and are primarily based on Latin.

That's right !!
I think among all the Germanic Languages, English is the easiest ( i can't speak german and a little bit dutch, cuz i learnt it at school but the grammar is difficult ! I don't understand those rules very well  )
I started learning english when i was 12 at school. I like this language, it "sounds" good and you can hear it every where (TV, songs, movies... - Cuz, as Cristiel said, here in Belgium, they have to put subtitles, because, there are 3 officials languages ~ french, dutch, german ~ so movies are in "Original Version... anyway)
Plus, if you know english, you can go every where. But the most difficult is the grammar... When must you use the present perfect, the past continuous (it is not clear in my mind yet... i don't have english lessons anymore... Next year, i will ! We will have conversation in english ! ) It is quiet difficult. The sentences construction are also different than in french, you have to think in a different way !
So, for me, french speaker (and also the fact i learnt latin) , i would say it's easier to learn spanish (i did ! well, a bit...) or italian. But among all romances languages, french is certainly the most difficult to learn, with all that awfull grammar rules and tences !! (i am lucky in a way, i don't have to learn it ! 

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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2004, 06:46:34 pm »


Quote from: tafika on June 12, 2004, 05:06:39 pm   

You know what I find quite amusing.
After spending a while on here... I've noticed quite often that non-english speakers are better at writing than those who have been brought up to speak the language.
Just something that amused me.
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Good point, and I agree. Most English-speakers are so used to it that they use "ppl, u, cuz, cause" and other abbreviations. Simply because they are used to it and it annoys them. 

The only other language I can relate to is Spanish. One year only, but hey, it's better than nothing. In class, my teacher tells us to use all the articles (el, la, los, las, un, una, unos, unas) that Spanish-speaking people usually leave out. And we did have to use Yo, Tu, El, Ella, Ud., Nosotros, etc. for at least half of the year. For everybody who doesn't speak Spanish, you don't need those. (Ya know, because I know everything there is to know about Spanish  )

Like I said before, it's probably because they're used to it. When I first started Spanish, I thought it was weird to leave out a word or two that you didn't need, so I put it in anyway.


Many many many words that you don't need in English. Just get out a Thesaurus. I mean, you only need one way to say "pretty". Instead, there's pretty, beautiful, gorgeous, amazing, dazzling, etc. Blah. Who cares? Stick with one word.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2004, 05:23:56 am »

My first language is Spanish , I studied English for 2 years , started learning it when I was 20. This board helps me to improve it.

As someone said before the most difficult thing about learning english, it's probably the grammar, the construction of the sentences it's different . French , Spanish , Portuguese , Italian, etc....are similar.








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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2004, 08:10:02 am »


Quote from: Bouncy on June 13, 2004, 05:23:56 am   

My first language is Spanish , I studied English for 2 years , started learning it when I was 20. This board helps me to improve it.

As someone said before the most difficult thing about learning english, it's probably the grammar, the construction of the sentences it's different . French , Spanish , Portuguese , Italian, etc....are similar.


hi girls!!! I agree with some of your opinions.
I speak a little french too, & it was easier to me cos it has things in common with spanish
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2004, 05:02:37 pm »

English is not at all the most difficult language in the world. Who told you that, Glinda?

I'm Italian and I started studying English at 8. Them I studied French at school, and then Japanese at University.

In high school I studied 2 dead languages, Latin and Ancient Greek, and one more dead language at University, Provencal.

At University our professor told us the most difficult language of the world is Corean, because it mixes the difficultness of Chinese with that of Japanese.

And I could tell you that Japanese is really hard.

For English native speakers, a language as Italian is difficult too, because the pronounce is very different and our grammar is more complex than English one.

For an Italian like me, the closest languages are the other Romance languages, Spanish expecially.

But the very fact that English is everywhere, on the web, in the songs, in the movies, makes you accustomed with it pretty easily. And the grammar - on elementary level, non literate one - is simple as well.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2004, 05:41:41 pm »


Quote from: Cecilia Moony on June 13, 2004, 05:02:37 pm   

English is not at all the most difficult language in the world. Who told you that, Glinda?

I dunno, I forget. I think English is easier for you than it is for me. 

I myself thought that Chinese and Japanese and all those types of languages would be the hardest because you have to know all those symbols...yech.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2004, 08:03:43 am »


Quote from: Glinda on June 12, 2004, 02:10:47 pm   

I was just wondering...is it hard to learn English? It just struck me, because I'm learning a new language now (Spanish). It must be really hard. I've always heard that English is the hardest language to learn, but I never really paid much attention to it. What exactly is it like learning English? What were the hardest parts? *is curious*


Hey!
I'm a french (native) speaker and (I think anyway) my english is rather good (isn't it? you tell me :p)

I 've learned german & english at school, german is more difficult to learn than english, for me, I can write think & read in english, & can't do that in german, tho that's the language I've started to learn first! !

And what you're saying about what you've heard "english being the most difficult language to learn" doesn't sound true at all to my ears. English is the easiest ! In my opinion.

But people, what I have always heard, is that french is really really hard to learn ... (And when I read how french people are able to write, I believe it's true ugh ..... what a shame!!) I guess it depends on how you learn it, who teaches it to you, etc.... your abilities to learn a new language ...

Coz, I've heard french is really hard to learn,  but in the other hand, I've heard that brits (yes I said Brits, that's what I've heard) are able to learn french rather easily, AND that once they know french, they speak a better english !!

Is that really true?

I would like to have a more "specific" english now, you know, like, technical, and all, coz mine is overall "literar" if I might say (and invent this word if it doesn't exist yet lol ) and keep on improving it...

I would like to improve my german.
Also learn spanish, italian, dutch, and elvish   



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ps: I must admit though, that at first, it was really hard for me to learn english, and I really used to suck in this, really really badly
And then, dunno what happened, I've started to improve a lot.

Hope to keep on on the way (improving) coz I know my english isn't perfect. But I know you all understand me, and that's a great joy to me to be able to chat and write to people who can understand me, even if it's not in french!

I know also, that french people were known as really "bad-foreign-languages-learners" if I may use this "expression", so, I don't know if it's still true, but I'm glad I'm one of the exceptions 
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2004, 09:09:29 am »

I, personally, do not think that english is a difficult language to learn. I even think it's quite easy...
My mother tongue is german and I also learn latin and spanish and I think English is the easiest language to learn. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2004, 12:07:03 pm »

what an intereseting thread!! I'm also a non-native English speaker and I LOVE learning new languages! I mean the whole idea that we actually can communicate in so many ways, and that by different sounds really. In general I think languages are one of the most amazing things in the world and there's such a beauty in them!! this year I have been studying 5 different languages in school; Swedish, English, Spanish, French and Latin.

anyway, the thing that I thought was really difficult and confusing when learning english in 4th grade was the difference between "have" and "has". many languages are constructed so that the verbs "follows" the person, if you know what I mean. for example in english; she does, we do in French; elle fait, nous faisons. but in my language, Swedish, the verbs look exactly the same for every person, ex: hon gör, vi gör or han äter, jag äter (means she does, we do, he eats, I eat).

I wouldn't say I'm good in english but I think I get along pretty well with it. I know I have sooo much more to learn and I would absolutely love to go abroad and study english soon, that would be a wish come true!!
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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2004, 01:43:03 pm »

I'm Finnish and I've studied English for 10 years now. I never thought it was a hard language to learn. Reasons for this might be tv, music, etc. but it is also easy to learn. Much easier than Finnish, German or Swedish, I think.

BUT, I'm not saying I would be so good at it, since I still have alot to learn. I make mistakes all the time (perhaps you've noticed...) and of course I don't understand slang words very well.

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2004, 03:03:10 pm »


Quote from: Sunshine on June 14, 2004, 12:07:03 pm   

elle fait, nous faison.

Hallo Sunshine! Hoe gaat het?
I'm quoting you, I mean to help you a tinnnnny tiny bit with your french
We write: nous faisonS. don't forget the S!
If you need help with your french please write me! I'd be glad to help even if a little bit

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2004, 05:19:09 pm »


Quote from: *~CRAZY~* on June 12, 2004, 05:05:02 pm   

I think German, for example is much more difficult! Starts with all the 'Sie' and 'Du' and ' Der, Die ,Das'  

I have problems with the ders and sies and es! While one object is female in my language, it often occurs that it is male or neutrum in German! English is less complicated. Offcourse, I've been learning English since I was 4 yrs old and German only since last year...

I love learning new languages! I know little French, Italian and Spanish (basic phrases) but I'd love to speak at least one of them fluently since English is spoken all over the world. And I just love latin! Too bad it's a dead language .
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2004, 11:32:38 pm »

Whoa...

When I saw this thread title, I thought it was a thread I made ages ago with the same name! 

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Quote from: Joeykitten on June 14, 2004, 03:03:10 pm   


Quote from: Sunshine on June 14, 2004, 12:07:03 pm   

elle fait, nous faison.

Hallo Sunshine! Hoe gaat het?
I'm quoting you, I mean to help you a tinnnnny tiny bit with your french
We write: nous faisonS. don't forget the S!
If you need help with your french please write me! I'd be glad to help even if a little bit

Goede nacht en slaap weel
Dag !!


(sorry for my mistakes  )

oh my, how embarrassing!! of course there should be a S! I've been studying French for 6 years now but the only thing I can is like basic stuff, but hey it's hard!!

Joeykitten, I would love to write to you! that would be awesome if you could help me out sometimes!
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