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Raewood
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Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« on: July 27, 2006, 07:13:32 pm »

We know this happens all the time because a few posters like to dispute with and attack other members over what should really not be a controversial issue.

The threads go along quite pleasantly until one or two people start trouble.

Instead of locking the threads why not just delete objectionable posts?

A lot of us enjoy talking happily about this and only a few make trouble. Why must everyone else be, in a sense, 'punished' for the actions of a few?
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2006, 02:16:24 am »

Like you raewood. your one of those people that help cause trouble yet you have the audacity to make this thread.  Im glad its locked. . Galderial your FACTS are way off the mark my dear.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2006, 03:39:03 am »

I would like to apologise for my involvement in this particular thread as I fear that I escalated the situation. I am very sad to hear that it has been closed.

People should be allowed to express their feelings about Elijah's relationships, even if they are pessimistic. I, personally, have no problem with free speech and opinion but I do occasionally find some of the terminology offensive. However, I would not seek to have people prevented from airing their opinions. We are not all going to agree about this, or perhaps even, many other issues.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2006, 03:45:15 am »

No Rae, there is no other choice but lock it. Even if we would delete posts, it would never stop. And the only thing we want is to make it stop. On top of that, people have the right to their own opinion so there's nothing to object about. We can not forbid people to have an opinion. We live in a world where there is freedom of speech. Things would be a lot better if people would not react to posts they find "objectionable". It's the discussion that follows that always lead to the thread being locked. It's nothing new.

I'm slowly starting to get sick of these repeating discussions. For as long as I'm a moderator on A&F, I had to deal with it and I really have enough. We've given people enough chances to discuss Pam in a serene way, apparently this isn't possibly.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2006, 04:05:27 am »

It clearly is my fault that this has happened so again apologies to all concerned, including to those whose remarks I found offensive. Perhaps I over-reacted. Perhaps, as I am one of the older posters, I am out of touch with what is considered acceptable these days and perhaps I am a little over-sensitive.

Taken as a whole though, it is an interesting debate on freedom of speech. If freedom of speech and opinion should encompass everything, including the offensive, objectionable remarks, it should also include any subsequent response.

I shall refrain from getting involved in future if the sort of comment that I post that escalates the situation. It is a shame as I have enjoyed being able to share my views here even with people who clearly have a different outlook on life. Apologies again.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2006, 04:23:50 am »

Apologies accepted, Jo. But I don't think you should take all the blame. There have been more people involved.

And in the case of this thread, it's both the "objectionable" remarks and the "subsequent" responses that make the thread being locked.

As for the freedom of speech, of course there are limits. But... it's very difficult to define "offensive". If I say for instance that I don't believe in God at all (just an example), people might find that offensive. But is it really? Or am I just expressing how I feel? There's a really thin line there... But there are limits, you can be sure of that, we don't allow everything.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2006, 11:49:19 am »

Oh good, a chance to say how I feel, because I was thinking about this last night.. with no reference to anyone in particular, why does a Pam/Elijah thread always result in such arguments? I just don't understand it. I just hope Elijah never saw any of these threads, either he'd brush it off and laugh or he'd be really hurt. I just don't understand all the aggravation and I find it so sad that there's all this fighting going on.
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2006, 08:03:57 pm »

The board rules clearly specify what constitutes an 'offensive post'.

http://always.ejwsites.net/YaBBSE/index.php?board=25;action=display;threadid=15027


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7. RESPECT: Learn the meaning of that word. You must respect Moderators, Elijah, and other members! There will be no insulting any member of the board. You can disagree with someone's opinion, but don't belittle them and yell at them.

Be courteous to other members, and if you have a problem with one of them - address it in a PM. Please do not start fights in threads and get everyone involved.

This rule of respect is also extended to famous people (e.g. Franka Potente. Just because Elijah dated her, doesn't mean that she's evil.)

8. If you decide to make another member account to swear and attack other people under a different name - do not expect that when you get banned, you can just blame it on your brother, sister, etc. It's stupid - so don't do it. It's not hard to log out before you go off the computer.

It seems so simple. If ANYONE breaks the above rules why not just delete the post rather than closing an entire thread?
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2006, 03:22:57 am »

It seems simple but it really isn't. We have warned people more than often enough if you ask me. We have directed them to the rules, deleted posts. It never stops. So no more! If a thread gets out of hand, it'll be locked. If the other mods still want to give it a try, fine by me, but I've had enough patience.
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2006, 03:39:43 am »

Hi all,


Quote from: Cristiel on July 28, 2006, 04:23:50 am   
As for the freedom of speech, of course there are limits. But... it's very difficult to define "offensive". If I say for instance that I don't believe in God at all (just an example), people might find that offensive. But is it really? Or am I just expressing how I feel? There's a really thin line there...

I know I'm certainly no authority here (well, concerning moderating issues at least), but I whole heartedly agree to that. Basically I think that most "fights" here at the board come from how people react in the light of a disagreement on a certain topic (and that may be as trivial as Elijah's favorite color or yet be as emotionally "important" as Elijah's meeting a woman in his private life).

I think the moderators repeatedly asked for people to consider that opposing opinions (at least in the first place) are NOT voiced to rule out every other possible opinion, but the reader who INTERPRETS it that way will (understandably but not acceptably !) reply--and often so in a way that isn't appropriate to allow freedom of speech. You know freedom of speech is a right everyone has, but being protected by "the law" (which on this board is represented by the moderators) from bullies who try to make you feel bad or downright hurt you is a right just as much. Eventually it is the decision of the moderator which "right" ways heavier, and naturally one party will always feel deprived from their right (either being silenced in a discussion or not being protected from those who offer nothing than snide remarks).

Probably the best alternative would be for some of the members to "grow up", but since we (the team working very hard to make this a fun place to be at) don't have the powers to see this wish coming true, we can do nothing but keep a constant watch on this balance of rights between users. In some cases we might rule quite differently although, on first sight, things might look pretty equal. This is because, just as in court, intent and the ability for the participating members that might have prevented the "law" being broken is taken into account. This might seem unfair, but it's a common approach in judging situations, just as in real court rooms.

Well, probably this wasn't a very instructive post, but I felt I had to say it anyway... Eventually, when it comes to ruling and making a judgment, I will always stick up for the moderators, seeing how little many people seem to care about the rules being taken seriously.

/jochen
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2006, 05:14:27 am »

Forget it...Just forget everything.
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2006, 05:21:13 am »

I tried to delete my account but I couldn't get it to work.

Cristiel I know it will give you great pleasure.

PLEASE delete my acccount.


Let all the haters have it. I'm sure Elijah will appreciate it.
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2006, 07:44:04 am »

Oh dear Rae, for your sake you need to grow up a little and accept you can't always have everything your own way.
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2006, 07:58:03 am »

I completely agree with jochen , rae please stop using the pam dislikers as a scapegoat thats not fair , .
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Re:Locking 'Pam' Threads- Another choice
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2006, 08:51:55 am »

I don't see the problem.

I think if you respect people, let them "dislike" Pam or "Like" her. I mean... respect their opinion... anyway, they have to be punished if it's getting outta hand, that's what I think... but don't lock the threads
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