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Madelaine25
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2003, 11:52:26 am »
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That was a perfect usage of "moreover." 

Considering that the number of people who actually are over 18 on this board, I don't think it would be much work for the mods.

What I don't like is the common understanding that all these little girls will lie.  We treat it like a given, something we can't help, but maybe we can?  And maybe, if after 100 posts, we have at least some degree of confidence, a mod can tell the member the password, and then she will subsequently agree to some sort of accept/decline disclaimer before entering.
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2003, 11:56:46 am »
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I'm in full favor of it being the members' responsibility to tell the truth about their ages, but we all know what's going to happen -- everyone who views the fics now will view them in future.

So I'm just wondering: are we to propose ideas to prevent minors from accessing the erotic fics, or are we just figuring out ways of preventing any potential legal consequences?

There's definitely an easy way out here, but I don't think it's necessarily the best solution.  Maybe it is, I don't know.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2003, 12:06:36 pm »
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No, it's not about an easy way out. It's really good to try and really prevent minors from reading such things, I just think there isn't a really 'minorproof' way of doing it. I don't think all girls will lie about their age, but often at that age nothing is more interesting than the things you are considered too young for. I'm not telling you that what you come up with won't work or that you should look for the easiest way out, I'm trying to think with you guys. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2003, 12:09:20 pm »
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And it is appreciated, Mir!   The more brains on the subject, the better.

It's frustrating because on the one hand, the board is doing something quite unethical in having these very graphic stories readily available to the hundreds of minors who visit this board on a daily basis.  On the other hand, we have practical issues of creating some strategy which actually does what it's intended to do, and which doesn't give the mods any additional headaches or protracted burdens.  *sigh*

Keep thinking!
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2003, 12:52:03 pm »
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Sounds like the wheels are turning.  I'm glad that this topic has gotten such notice.

I know that the younger members may be insulted by the creation of a forum for erotic fiction.  Perhaps they would see it as method to not include them in something that they have before, been allowed to participate in.  Just beacuse it is my opinion that a 13 year old shouldn't read erotica...doesn't necessarily make it right. 

But there are the legal ramifications to consider, and those are the ones that I take most seriously.  It seems to me as though the question now lies in...do the mods have the responsibility to filter out those that they may *know* are underage....or is the reader simply allowed to make the decision... 
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2003, 12:58:47 pm »
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Well...

It's not really about our opinions, is it?  There are societal/legal/generally-accepted guidelines concerning who shouldn't be exposed to what is, in many cases, pornography.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2003, 01:02:22 pm »
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Excellent point. 

Still the question remains..if you as a mod know someone's age...should you refuse access even if they so desire.  By your above guideleines, then yes...access should be refused.  And rightfully so as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2003, 01:06:25 pm »
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If we know their age indirectly, through threads or previous conversations, then obviously, we wouldn't let them in.

The only thing I'd be concerned about is having the mods responsible for verifying ages.  Since there's no way to do that, I think that members should first get their 100 posts, then ask for mod approval, then get the password, then complete a legal disclaimer.

There can't be more than 100 or so over-18s on this board.
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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2003, 01:07:43 pm »
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That is right too, madelaine. It is going to very difficult to filter out the underage readers. And it would be hard to impose this as acces to the forum and the board has been given such freedom  till now.
But, I feel the responsibility lies in the readers too.
Btw, was it just that one fiction(Erotic night with Lij) that triggered this whole disscussion/ and thread? I was wondering. LOL I know I'm a bit behind. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2003, 01:08:47 pm »
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I think that sounds like a fairly decent plan. 

100 posts is ample opportunity for BOARD respect and maturity to be accessed.  The legal disclaimer can help to absolve Lucy and the mods of responsiblity if they are lying.

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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2003, 01:09:16 pm »
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Quote from: SolskjaersGirl on October 01, 2003, 01:07:43 pm   

Btw, was it just that one fiction(Erotic night with Lij) that triggered this whole disscussion/ and thread? I was wondering. LOL I know I'm a bit behind. 

Yeah, it was.  It's important that she not take this discussion personally; it's just that her fanfic brought the issue to the forefront.  Luckily, lady of the wood is understanding.
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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2003, 01:11:55 pm »
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*GAWD* I feel so guilty for posting such fics.. I swear I'm never going to do it again. 
Can't we just throw all the fics into one big forum and then pass out the password to those who have are of legal age? But, they can still lie about it can't they?
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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2003, 01:12:15 pm »
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Quote from: SolskjaersGirl on October 01, 2003, 01:07:43 pm   

That is right too, madelaine. It is going to very difficult to filter out the underage readers. And it would be hard to impose this as acces to the forum and the board has been given such freedom  till now.
But, I feel the responsibility lies in the readers too.
Btw, was it just that one fiction(Erotic night with Lij) that triggered this whole disscussion/ and thread? I was wondering. LOL I know I'm a bit behind. 

Difficult or not...when it's a matter of legality and liablity changes need to be made.

And as far as why i started this thread.  It's something I've been thinking about a lot recently.  And the recent crop of NC-17 related stories really inspired me to bring this up again.  I had no idea if I was the only one who felt this way about the fanfic situation or not...
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2003, 01:13:28 pm »
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Quote from: SolskjaersGirl on October 01, 2003, 01:11:55 pm   

*GAWD* I feel so guilty for posting such fics.. I swear I'm never going to do it again. 
Can't we just throw all the fics into one big forum and then pass out the password to those who have are of legal age? But, they can still lie about it can't they?

Please don't feel guilty.  All the stories I've posted on here are NC-17.  At first I didn't give it much thought.  But as the age demographic of this board has become more clear to me, I felt the need to speak up.
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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2003, 01:14:10 pm »
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Quote from: SolskjaersGirl on October 01, 2003, 01:11:55 pm   

*GAWD* I feel so guilty for posting such fics.. I swear I'm never going to do it again. 

No!  I've read passages of the dirty ones (on purpose!) and you shouldn't stop.

This isn't your fault; it's no one's fault, but it will be, if we don't do something about it.
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