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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2005, 01:53:07 pm »
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I think there was no surprise in who the new Pope was. Ratzinger was close to JP II and was elected the Dean of the college of Cardinals by him. The way I see it, they needed someone to carry on work of JP II, to follow in his footsteps, I believe. He is as much a conservative as John Paul was, and for sure, there won't be much change in any of the Church's doctrines in a hurry. 

Despite all that, I think this new Pope will do a good job. He seems well loved by the people already.  For me, I'm quite touched by this historic moment, I've never seen something like this before obviously, and it was quite momentous for me. 

And Seven, I wished you hadn't made your first post sound like such a joke. I just have to say, I'm a little offended.  This was an important and touching moment in the Church's history and I thought it deserved respect. 

*Nods*  This is in fact a wonderful historic moment that touches the many (including me).  I'm glad you feel this way.  It is a big deal and people should respect that.  I know most will come to it.
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I think there was no surprise in who the new Pope was. Ratzinger was close to JP II and was elected the Dean of the college of Cardinals by him. The way I see it, they needed someone to carry on work of JP II, to follow in his footsteps, I believe. He is as much a conservative as John Paul was, and for sure, there won't be much change in any of the Church's doctrines in a hurry. 
 

Yes, after such a long Papacy I doubt many of the Cardinals would have wanted any sudden drastic change in the church, especially since John Paul was so popular.

By the way, the election wasn't really that fast. It was much longer for John Paul because the Cardinals couldn't decide between two people and had to compromise when they realised neither was going to get the 2/3 majority. My teacher said today that if someone is quite a popular choice it doesn't take very long.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2005, 02:00:52 pm »
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Sorry for the doubts, but I simply would've liked to see a pope from a poorer part of the world. Somehow I think that would result in more change in the world. 
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2005, 02:01:28 pm »
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I don't doubt he will do a good job, I just don't agree with his views like I didn't agree with the previous pope either. I had really hoped to see someone more progressive, someone who wouldn't see women as the "weak race", someone who's not against gay people and who certainly doesn't see using anticonception as a sin.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2005, 02:09:32 pm »
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I don't doubt he will do a good job, I just don't agree with his views like I didn't agree with the previous pope either. I had really hoped to see someone more progressive, someone who wouldn't see women as the "weak race", someone who's not against gay people and who certainly doesn't see using anticonception as a sin.
I agree but the Catholic Church isn't ready for this. But this is why I would've liked to see the African guy become pope. Someone who wants to take your condoms away is not very progressive in fighting Aids in those regions.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, Cristiel. I don't agree with some of JP II stands too. But, for me personally, that's the Catholic Church's firm stand. And further more I'm born one, so it's really difficult. I find I struggle with it and also with what it means in that respect.  Its complicated in other words!   
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Yeah, I know what you mean, Cristiel. I don't agree with some of JP II stands too. But, for me personally, that's the Catholic Church's firm stand. And further more I'm born one, so it's really difficult. I find I struggle with it and also with what it means in that respect.  Its complicated in other words!   

Oh, good a fellow Catholic.  I understand what you're saying.  It can be hard. 
Cristiel, not to sound rude, but clearly you must not understand the role of the pope if you are looking for someone who is for gays and things of that nature.  The Catholic Church stands firmly against those things.  If there was such a cardinal who believed for those things, well, that would definitely be odd.  Rather impossible in the Catholic church.  Believe me, I am Catholic.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2005, 02:21:26 pm »
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It indeed went a lot faster than expected. But I have to admit that I'm terribly disappointed with the election of Joseph Ratzinger. I had hoped for a more progressive figure, someone who lives in the year 2005.

Seven, he's 78 years old.

Once again, I totally agree with you Critiel , we are going backwards instead of into the future with church
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Quote from: Cristiel on April 19, 2005, 01:14:20 pm   

It indeed went a lot faster than expected. But I have to admit that I'm terribly disappointed with the election of Joseph Ratzinger. I had hoped for a more progressive figure, someone who lives in the year 2005.

Seven, he's 78 years old.

Once again, I totally agree with you Critiel , we are going backwards instead of into the future with church

You must grasp the concept that the Catholic Church is not working for the future.  It never has changed what it truly stands for.  I think you would really respect that if you were apart of the church.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2005, 02:25:44 pm »
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I do consider myself as a part of the catholic church and I truly believe in some of their values, but I don't agree with some of the conservative and discriminating thoughts of some of the churchleaders.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2005, 02:28:18 pm »
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Quote from: Artanis Elensar on April 19, 2005, 02:25:44 pm   

I do consider myself as a part of the catholic church and I truly believe in some of their values, but I don't agree with some of the conservative and discriminating thoughts of some of the churchleaders.

Well okay, but the majority of the Church is conservative in most ideas.  When the idea of looking at women as the 'lesser or weaker race,' you can't be talking about women not being aloud to become priests or something of that nature are you?  That has been in the faith forever.  In my opinion, NOTHING should change with this faith.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, Cristiel. I don't agree with some of JP II stands too. But, for me personally, that's the Catholic Church's firm stand. And further more I'm born one, so it's really difficult. I find I struggle with it and also with what it means in that respect.  Its complicated in other words!   

Oh, good a fellow Catholic.  I understand what you're saying.  It can be hard. 
Cristiel, not to sound rude, but clearly you must not understand the role of the pope if you are looking for someone who is for gays and things of that nature.  The Catholic Church stands firmly against those things.  If there was such a cardinal who believed for those things, well, that would definitely be odd.  Rather impossible in the Catholic church.  Believe me, I am Catholic.

I'm not asking the Catholic Church to promote gay people, I just want them to accept them instead of seeing them like "sinners" or "bad people". Being gay is not an illness.

In Belgium, we do have a very progressive cardinal, Godfriend Danneels, who's pleading for a role of women in the church (which doesn't mean that they have to be allowed to become priests) and openly speaks about the acceptance of anticonception. Just because he knows that yearly, a lot of people die because their Church forbids them to use condoms. I do have a lot of respect for our cardinal because he knows what goes on in today's world and doesn't want to pretend that aids doesn't exist.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2005, 02:34:18 pm »
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There was a woman pope at one point, they only discovered it when she became pregnant. Bit of a random point there.

Anyway, the church has changed it's doctrine and customs a few times in history. The main faith in Catholicism is believing in Jesus and his sacrifice, and the message of Catholicism is to respect and love all people. No one is suggesting this change. But there are outdated ideas in the Catholic doctrine that should change with the times and if they do it will not affect the central faith.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, Cristiel. I don't agree with some of JP II stands too. But, for me personally, that's the Catholic Church's firm stand. And further more I'm born one, so it's really difficult. I find I struggle with it and also with what it means in that respect.  Its complicated in other words!   

Oh, good a fellow Catholic.  I understand what you're saying.  It can be hard. 
Cristiel, not to sound rude, but clearly you must not understand the role of the pope if you are looking for someone who is for gays and things of that nature.  The Catholic Church stands firmly against those things.  If there was such a cardinal who believed for those things, well, that would definitely be odd.  Rather impossible in the Catholic church.  Believe me, I am Catholic.

I'm not asking the Catholic Church to promote gay people, I just want them to accept them instead of seeing them like "sinners" or "bad people". Being gay is not an illness.

In Belgium, we do have a very progressive cardinal, Godfriend Danneels, who's pleading for a role of women in the church (which doesn't mean that they have to be allowed to become priests) and openly speaks about the acceptance of anticonception. Just because he knows that yearly, a lot of people die because their Church forbids them to use condoms. I do have a lot of respect for our cardinal because he knows what goes on in today's world and doesn't want to pretend that aids doesn't exist.

Well in this faith, being gay is considered a sin, therefore they are called sinners.  But we are all sinners in different ways now aren't we?  Women do have roles in the church.  There are nuns, teachers, all kinds of things.  I don't see what more they need to do.  Okay, Catholics (most) are against the use of condoms, but it is for an entire different purpose than aids.  It is looked at like abortion; A.K.A. the prevention of life.

Rai, I'm sorry, but any change to the Catholic Church equals change to the entire faith.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2005, 02:37:04 pm »
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You know, I think I understand both points of view and I see it both ways. Its not easy to accept most of what the Catholic Church teaches and stands firm on. Sometimes, even priests don't agree but, the way  I see it, this my faith and I need to learn more about it before I could get to question it, which is why I struggle sometimes.

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