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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2004, 01:07:19 am »
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well i'm not saying it's not fun..well not that i'd know, i'm waiting untill marriage. but i just feel like if your willing to do that, you need to take on the responsibilities that come along with it.

i think its so selfish to go out and have your night of fun and pleasure, and you get pregnant, and then kill the child. that child didn't ask to be concieved, it was all your doings. that was all i was trying to say..

lol, i'm well aware of it's perks 
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2004, 02:51:11 am »
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Quote from: twoleafclover on November 18, 2004, 01:07:19 am   

well i'm not saying it's not fun..well not that i'd know, i'm waiting untill marriage. but i just feel like if your willing to do that, you need to take on the responsibilities that come along with it.
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i think its so selfish to go out and have your night of fun and pleasure, and you get pregnant, and then kill the child. that child didn't ask to be concieved, it was all your doings. that was all i was trying to say..
I understand, that's why young immature girls shouldn't be having sex


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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2004, 04:33:13 am »
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Whatever type of abortion pill it is, I think it is sick, killing an unborn.

It is terrible but I wouldn't consider it sick.  A lot of woman need or have to have abortions, unfortunately, and mostly for different reasons.  Some woman are raped and in some cases woman know that there is something wrong with the fetus - then I would think that those cases might be acceptable (for lack of a better word) It's a sad reality but sometimes it needs to be done.

Very much agree with this.  I don't agree with it just, because it was a mistake, but if, well, see above!!!
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2004, 07:02:31 am »
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I'm absoloutley pro-choice. I'm fifteen years old and if I were to get pregnent now and decided to keep the baby my world would be completely turned around and I definetly wouldn't be able to do many of the things I plan to do. I would probably also end up resenting my child, and no kid deserves that.
There are also a variety of other reasons, such as rape, I mean, who would want to give birth to their rapist's baby?
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2004, 09:53:05 am »
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Whatever type of abortion pill it is, I think it is sick, killing an unborn.

It is terrible but I wouldn't consider it sick.  A lot of woman need or have to have abortions, unfortunately, and mostly for different reasons.  Some woman are raped and in some cases woman know that there is something wrong with the fetus - then I would think that those cases might be acceptable (for lack of a better word) It's a sad reality but sometimes it needs to be done.

Agree! Killing an unborn baby is not good, but what happens to a child when it has to grow up with a traumatized and raped mom and it doesn''t even know who the father is because he's (probably) in jail for doing that to its mom. (i know, difficult line) What if the child discovers that it is the result of a crime? nice family would that be. No, sometimes it's better. But if it was just an 'accident' I think mom and dad should keep the kid and make something of it together (no they don't have to move in together or something, but they do have to take care of it together, not like dad running of like a coward and leaving mom with the trouble-what still happens very often-)
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2004, 02:03:47 pm »
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Quote from: twoleafclover on November 18, 2004, 01:07:19 am   

well i'm not saying it's not fun..well not that i'd know, i'm waiting untill marriage. but i just feel like if your willing to do that, you need to take on the responsibilities that come along with it.

i think its so selfish to go out and have your night of fun and pleasure, and you get pregnant, and then kill the child. that child didn't ask to be concieved, it was all your doings. that was all i was trying to say..

lol, i'm well aware of it's perks 

I agree with Twoleafclover completely on this.  I can speak from personal experience.  The first time I had sex was on my wedding night, at age 21.  It was well worth waiting for and does have lots of perks.    It was not easy to wait but it was one of the best decisions I ever made.  I have no regrets.  I know I would have had regrets if I had, had sex before marriage.

I know six women who have had abortions (I am sure I know more but just am not aware they have had an abortion) and every single one of them regret it.  As someone who has had seven miscarriages (and a little stillborn daughter), I can't not imagine the sadness and guilt of losing a baby "on purpose."  I had so much sadness and guilt even though I miscarried naturally ("I shouldn't have listed that box yesterday,"  "Did I drink too much caffeine?" etc) 

One of my babies was only ten weeks gestation but I held that little one in my hand.  He was fully formed and "perfect" in every way.  Very much a human being. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2004, 02:10:37 pm »
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I agree, Rose.  That's the way it should be.  I mean, you're saving yourself for your true love - there's nothing wrong with that!  People are like, "Well how am I supposed to know if he's the right one if I don't try having sex with him?"  And I'm just like, um...hello!  If he's the right one, you'll get married, and then it'll be perfectly okay to have sex with him!    Some people are just idiots.  I, for one, intend to keep myself saved for just the right guy on my honeymoon; because once you lose your virginity (especially to the wrong guy!) you can't get it back, period.  As far as the abortion pill, people who decide to have sex before marriage, they need to be careful!  That way they won't have to resort to such a horrible thing (abortion.)  If people would just THINK...
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2004, 04:05:58 pm »
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I think if you're mature enough to have sex without protection your mature enough to carry the baby to full term.    That way you're still getting rid of the baby you just don't have to kill it first.
But, that's just what I think and I mean no offence by it so please don't take any.
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2004, 06:58:11 pm »
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Quote from: Helix on November 18, 2004, 07:02:31 am   

I'm absoloutley pro-choice. I'm fifteen years old and if I were to get pregnent now and decided to keep the baby my world would be completely turned around and I definetly wouldn't be able to do many of the things I plan to do. I would probably also end up resenting my child, and no kid deserves that.
There are also a variety of other reasons, such as rape, I mean, who would want to give birth to their rapist's baby?

I am also pro...I don't think it's wrong to terminate of something when it hasn't even taken form of a baby...it's techniqually still just a sperm and an egg, in one...if you do it soon enough, how is that murder? ladies, when we get periods, thats killing eggs...If a guy ejackulates(sp?) in a chlorine hot tub, that kills the sperm...i belive if abortion is done immediatly, it is not murder...

I have heard of a very disturbing way to abort a baby, but it is very rare...the mother go's through with the 9 months of pregnancy, and when they are delivering, the doctor somehow(i can't remember how) turns the baby so that it comes out feet first. Then as it comes out they break it's kneck or somthing like that...I can't remember how they killed the baby, I just know it wasn't pleasant...I think it was more gory than breaking it's neck...I believe something like that is wrong...
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2004, 07:42:17 pm »
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Quote from: littlehafling on November 18, 2004, 02:10:37 pm   

People are like, "Well how am I supposed to know if he's the right one if I don't try having sex with him?"  And I'm just like, um...hello!  If he's the right one, you'll get married, and then it'll be perfectly okay to have sex with him!    Some people are just idiots.

To me it seems like you are overgeneralising.  I have had sex with someone even though I did not know he was the right one.  I was with him for three years - some marriages don't even last that long.  And marriage is not forever.  Have you been in a long-term relationship?  They are a lot of work, as anyone will tell you.  Even if you completely love the person, you may realise down the road that you do not work well together in a marriage.  Some people never get married for that very reason.  Relationships are not all the same.  It's great to have the ideal that everyone has a "one true love" but that's not true.  You have to date and be open to meeting new people, and sometimes, people do this through sex.  I don't think anyone thinks that sex is going to tell them who their true love is - I have NEVER heard anyone say that.  Some women are taken advantage of at parties or when they're walking alone at night.  And when I say "parties," I don't always mean that they've been drinking.

There are too many issues here to make general statements like I see most people making.  For one thing, not everyone wants babies; I'm sure at least a few women, if they had the money, would get their tubes tied and be done with that possibility.  For another, not everyone is irresponsible in their sexual partners.  I fully recognise that I did not have my first partner tested, so I got myself tested before carrying on with someone else (I also insisted that they be tested); a lot of people DO use protection, and they use it CORRECTLY.  For another, some people think they're in love and they have sex to be closer, not just to have random sex.  Not everyone who gets pregnant has done so because she is a cheap hooker of some sort.  There are many other things but it would take too long to type so I'll just wrap up my thoughts.

If you have a difference of opinion, that is completely okay.  But I completely resent the fact that you have categorised me as a "stupid idiot."  Yes, I have had pre-marital sex.  Yes, I intend to have more of it.  And yes, I use protection.  I am not going to tell you that you're a prude for not having pre-martial sex; I'm not going to call you a stupid idiot or repressed or any of those terms people normally get called.  I am going to respect your decision and wish you well with it.

Please think before you post, since what you say can be construed as an attack against others.
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2004, 07:58:43 pm »
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I completly agree with you willikins...and I do plan on having pre-marital sex(however I am not yet ready, and I have not found a long term boyfriend yet) I definatly think pre marital sex, is completly fine, as long as you get tested,(just as you said you did, which is obviously very, very smart)especially if you are having sex the first time with someone who has had sex with 2 or 3 others.

as for gettin pregnant when having sex, I heard from a lady who talked my my CAPP class, that condoms are actually only about 75-80% effective(im not sure if she meant against pregnancy, STI's or both)...If I was going to have sex, I would use a condom, as well as being on birth control pill(which I am allready on for girl issues).

I feel, if you are doing everything right when it comes to sex, and you get pregnant, you DO NOT deserve to be called "immature" or "a sl*t". Even when you take all the neccisary steps to safe sex, something can always go wrong and that isn't your fault...If, this DID happen, I think abortion should be an option, concidering they did not plan on being pregnant, and they didn't do anything wrong. However, if someone is responsible enough to get both sexual partners tested, and use a condom, etc, etc, they would most likely have very little trouble raising a child.

I hope I didn't say anything wrong, or bad...These are my opinons from some of the things I have learned
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Quote from: Nijntje on November 18, 2004, 09:53:05 am   


Quote from: **NiX** on November 18, 2004, 12:30:01 am   


Quote from: *Learning2Breath* on November 17, 2004, 04:29:09 pm   

Whatever type of abortion pill it is, I think it is sick, killing an unborn.

It is terrible but I wouldn't consider it sick.  A lot of woman need or have to have abortions, unfortunately, and mostly for different reasons.  Some woman are raped and in some cases woman know that there is something wrong with the fetus - then I would think that those cases might be acceptable (for lack of a better word) It's a sad reality but sometimes it needs to be done.

Agree! Killing an unborn baby is not good, but what happens to a child when it has to grow up with a traumatized and raped mom and it doesn''t even know who the father is because he's (probably) in jail for doing that to its mom. (i know, difficult line) What if the child discovers that it is the result of a crime? nice family would that be. No, sometimes it's better. But if it was just an 'accident' I think mom and dad should keep the kid and make something of it together (no they don't have to move in together or something, but they do have to take care of it together, not like dad running of like a coward and leaving mom with the trouble-what still happens very often-)


i think this just boils down to whatever your religious beliefs are. obviously everyone differs. you speak of rape, that is a tough situation, but i can tell you in all 100% honestly if that happened to me, i would have the child. b/c i believe God wouldn't have put me in that situation if He didn't think i could handle it. the Bible says God will never make you endure more than you can handle.

it doesn't matter HOW the child was concieved...the fact remains it is a human..the child isn't the one that harmed you, or forced themselves on you. That child did nothing to do with that rape. nor do they deserve to have their brain crushed, and their limbs pulled apart one, by one, and i don't care -how- old they are, or how many weeks, they CAN feel the pain of that process. i'm sorry, but i just can't understand how anyone could kill an unborn child. it doesn't matter if it's completley "formed" (meaning you can distinguish hands, feet, etc.) it becomes a human the minute the sperm meets the egg.


nobody is saying you have to keep the child, if you think you would resent it for whatever reasons, put them up for adoption. i knew a girl in high school who was adopted, and she had the best life, they totally spoiled her, she had a convertable, very well off parents, and lived in a nice neighborhood. my point is that there are so many people DYING to adopt children..why kill them? it's just so senseless. i'm sorry but if you don't want children then you shouldn't be having sex, because that's what comes of it, unless you take birth control, but even that isn't 100% efective.

and to those of you for abortion..

think back on all the wonderful memories, and good times you've had since you can remember. think of all the vacations, prom, achieved goals and think of how wonderful it felt, just think of every wonderful memory you can remember.

now imagine if your mother had decided to kill you, and all that you would have missed out on, and would be robbed of. i'm not trying to attack anyone on here for their ideas, morals or personal beliefs..i'm simply trying to give you perspective.
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unless you take birth control, but even that isn't 100% efective.



actually it's more effective then condoms...I'm pretty sure birth control is actually,(unlike condoms that say they are 99.9% efective) 99.9% accurate...

The safest sex, is condom, diaphram and birth control...but not many people do that...
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Quote from: twoleafclover on November 18, 2004, 11:27:16 pm   

think back on all the wonderful memories, and good times you've had since you can remember. think of all the vacations, prom, achieved goals and think of how wonderful it felt, just think of every wonderful memory you can remember.

now imagine if your mother had decided to kill you, and all that you would have missed out on, and would be robbed of. i'm not trying to attack anyone on here for their ideas, morals or personal beliefs..i'm simply trying to give you perspective.

Wouldn't you have to apply the same reasoning to every egg that a woman ever had, even if it didn't meet with sperm?  I've thought often of what would have happened if it hadn't been my egg that had been fertilised; it would not have made me sad, since I would not be conscious of it.  You're talking to us about remorse for if we hadn't been born, but if we hadn't been born, we would have nothing about which to feel remorseful, since we would not be alive.  What I mean is that feti (the plural of fetus), as far as I know, do not have memories.  If they are aborted, they will not know that they have missed out on something, so how can they feel pain about that?  As for physical pain, I really am not well-versed in what an abortion feels like from either the perspective of the mother nor the fetus, but I suspect that the fetus does not have a fully developed nervous system in order to feel pain.  Without full developed nerves - the things that control our physical, and sometimes, emotional feelings - there is not a logical way they would feel pain.  Again, I am not sure how developed their nervous system is, but if it is not developed, then one cannot make the argument that they would feel pain since they cannot feel anything.

I am talking about physical pain.  If you are talking about emotional pain, I don't agree but I'm not going to spend time arguing it.

I would like to say that the world is overpopulated as it is.  It IS overpopulated - that is actually a concrete fact.  And there are NOT a lot of people wanting to adopt.  I don't know which statistics you've been reading, but if you point me to them, that would help me believe your point.  Every article and every news show and special I've seen talks about a high percentage of unwanted orphans.  There are more unwanted children in orphanages than wanted ones, from what I've read and seen.  I would hate to bring another unwanted child into the world.  Concerning emotional pain, I think it would hurt just as much to feel discarded like that, to be forced into a life where you were stuck in an orphanage because no one wanted you, not even your own parents.  Because that's what you're doing - you're choosing their life for them.  Unless you can show me for a fact that there is only a small percentage of unwanted children in the world, I simply cannot agree with the idea you present.

Nevermind that it takes a huge mental toll on the mother.  A lot of women go into depression when they get pregnant.  I, personally, would feel utterly disgusted at the idea of carrying a child that I didn't want because some man found it to be his right to rape me.  That is unfair in my opinion.  I would not want to disgrace myself and my body that way; to be disgraced with the rape itself would be too taxing as it is.  I have only spoken to one rape victim and I would never wish that on anyone.  She would never have been able to keep the child, had she not been on birth control.  She probably would have committed suicide or some such thing.  I don't think it would have been fair to demand that of her, to give up her life for nine months to care for a decision she did not make.  I highly doubt that that is God deciding that it's your time to have a child; it's a person, usually with mental problems, who decides that he wants to have power of you.  Quite honestly, I find the idea - not the person who said, but the idea itself - of mixing God up with the reasons behind rape, as if it were a religious experience instead of a hateful, mind-shattering one.

Damn, and I swore I wasn't going to talk about rape.  Either way, I've had only minimal education in this and it was enough to affect me as much as it has.  I find it insensitive to expect a victim to cooperate with their attacker's responsibility.

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2004, 01:03:00 am »
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willikins I just want to tell you how wise I think you are...you put everything together perfectly, and I admire how you stated that facts...and I agree with you 100%
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