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Re:Which scene and/or character were you most upset to see left out of the films
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2005, 04:49:17 am »


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To be honest I was more upset with some things they included in the movies that weren't in the book. I really like Liv Tyler and respect her as an actress but I did not like how they dealt with Arwen's character. For a character that is mentioned merely twice in the actual books she received an awful lot of screen time. My guess is that they felt they had to include more of a love story but really I believe it wasn't needed. All those minutes dedicated to Arwen and Aragorn 'dreaming' of each other could have been better spent on other characters and plot lines.

Book and film are two completely different things and this is a very good example to show this. In a book you can talk about a character in the beginning and not speak of it again until the end (like Tolkien did with Arwen). But this does not work in film, people don't accept that. So that's the reason why Peter Jackson decided to use flashbacks to show something more about the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn and how important she is to him. They did not make this stuff up, the additional material comes from the appendicis of the book.


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Also why was Faramir tempted by the ring in the movie? He wasn't in the book at all. He said straight out that he 'wouldn't pick it up if it lay on the side of the road' or something of the like.

This has been explained by Peter, Fran and Philippa on the commentary of the EE of TTT. The reason for making this change in Faramir's character is because they felt that the thread and corruptive effect of the ring is not believable if you have a character that is not at all tempted to take it. The ring is said to corrupt people and it looses that strength when someone shows up and says he doesn't want it. I think it made a lot of sense.
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Re:Which scene and/or character were you most upset to see left out of the films
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2005, 03:29:28 pm »


Quote from: Cristiel on January 10, 2005, 04:49:17 am   


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To be honest I was more upset with some things they included in the movies that weren't in the book. I really like Liv Tyler and respect her as an actress but I did not like how they dealt with Arwen's character. For a character that is mentioned merely twice in the actual books she received an awful lot of screen time. My guess is that they felt they had to include more of a love story but really I believe it wasn't needed. All those minutes dedicated to Arwen and Aragorn 'dreaming' of each other could have been better spent on other characters and plot lines.

Book and film are two completely different things and this is a very good example to show this. In a book you can talk about a character in the beginning and not speak of it again until the end (like Tolkien did with Arwen). But this does not work in film, people don't accept that. So that's the reason why Peter Jackson decided to use flashbacks to show something more about the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn and how important she is to him. They did not make this stuff up, the additional material comes from the appendicis of the book.


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Also why was Faramir tempted by the ring in the movie? He wasn't in the book at all. He said straight out that he 'wouldn't pick it up if it lay on the side of the road' or something of the like.

This has been explained by Peter, Fran and Philippa on the commentary of the EE of TTT. The reason for making this change in Faramir's character is because they felt that the thread and corruptive effect of the ring is not believable if you have a character that is not at all tempted to take it. The ring is said to corrupt people and it looses that strength when someone shows up and says he doesn't want it. I think it made a lot of sense.

I realize they did not make the Arwen/Aragorn story up. But they certainly took many liberties with it. For instance Arwen coming to take wounded Frodo to Rivendell; Arwen being the one pushing for the shards of Narsil to be reforged. I understand characters, plot lines, ideas that work well in print may not translate well into film. I was simply expressing my opinion that personally I didn't care for her expanded role in the movie.

As for Faramir, I look at it differently. Instead of seeing Faramir's rejection of the Ring as a weakness of the ring or as a downplay of the Ring's strengh and power,  I see it as a testament to the strenght of Faramir's character. As a contrast to Boromir's temptation, I see Faramir's honor. Aragorn doesn't show temptation to the Ring as far as I can judge from the films, so is it so far fetched that Faramir can withstand it as well?
As I mentioned in previous posts, I love the movies for what they are; Adaptations of Tolkien's Works. Film and Print are two very different mediums and I grasp that changes had to be made. I just question some of them.
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Re:Which scene and/or character were you most upset to see left out of the films
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2005, 10:11:32 pm »


Quote from: Rachel_04 on January 10, 2005, 03:29:28 pm   


As for Faramir, I look at it differently. Instead of seeing Faramir's rejection of the Ring as a weakness of the ring or as a downplay of the Ring's strengh and power,  I see it as a testament to the strenght of Faramir's character. As a contrast to Boromir's temptation, I see Faramir's honor. Aragorn doesn't show temptation to the Ring as far as I can judge from the films, so is it so far fetched that Faramir can withstand it as well? 

Before adding my thoughts on my topic, I wanted to reply to this.

Yes, Faramir's rejection of the Ring does indeed show his strength, in comparision to his brother's weakness to it. But in the films, the whole story revolves around the Ring being pure evil - pure corruptive evil, and no one totally escapes it. You can't have Faramir come in and not be affected. I don't care how much of his character's "goodness" you want to show, that's not the way to do it. It would make it seem like Gollum, Frodo, and even Sam were weak, because they were corrupted/deeply affected by the Ring. If Faramir could ignore it, even if it "lay by the highway" so easily, it wouldn't make sense for it to take over others so easily.

As for Aragorn.. give it a chance, and I think the Ring may have played with his mind a bit, too. It did speak to him a few times, do you remember? It definitely had some effect on him, but he was only tempted by it for seconds at a time, and he was able to master that temptation. But the Ring is wholly evil - no one, I don't think, could have resisted it forever.


With that said, here are my favorite bits that were left out:

No matter how pointless/random the part in the book may have seemed, I love the chapters about Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. The hobbits spending time with them was like going into a whole other world, even though they came from such a unique and foreign world to begin with. I loved Tom's riddle-speech, and the descriptions of his froliking through the forest. And Goldberry.. I would have liked to see who they would've gotten to play her! But I can totally understand why it was ommitted.

I also missed some of the random elf bits. Like Gildor and his traveling companions, who Frodo meets on his way out of the Shire. Gildor is actually the one who tells him about the Ringwraiths and all that.

I missed Glorfindel, too, but I forgave Pete when I found myself really liking Arwen's character. I don't care what any of you say, and I don't care how "untrue" to the books it was - I like Arwen. I would have loved to see Glorfindel, yes, but I like Arwen enough that I don't hold a grude over it or anything.
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Re:Which scene and/or character were you most upset to see left out of the films
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2005, 01:46:41 am »

Tom Bombadil and the barrowdowns were the things I missed most in the movies (I understand why they were taken out....but still)

At first I was upset about the part Arwen got in the movies... but it is talked about in the appendices, and it influenced a lot of what Aragorn did in the books. SO I'm OK with in now lol.

I liked the hobbits calling Aragorn "Strider" in the books though. I suppose they always called him Aragorn in the movies for clarification, but I though that the hobbits innocence of such things was very sweet   
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Re:Which scene and/or character were you most upset to see left out of the films
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2005, 09:31:10 pm »

Goldberry and Tom.  For sure. 
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