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Title: What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 17, 2010, 01:52:42 pm

The organ donation topic inspired this

What are your views on what happens after you die? Do you think you just die and that's it. You think you go to heaven or hell? Or do you think you are going to be reincarnated

Let me know your thoughts

I think there is a heaven and hell so we go there and I like to think I will also be reincarnated :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: maryd on February 18, 2010, 09:21:11 am

My views on 'what happens after death' are really hazy. :P I sort of believe in Heaven, but not Hell, which I know makes no sense whatsoever, but I just can't imagine a God that would let anyone suffer in Hell for all eternity. ::)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Misz_Mii on February 18, 2010, 09:32:06 am

[quote author=maryd link=board=5;threadid=33949;start=0#msg1190454 date=1266502871]
My views on 'what happens after death' are really hazy. :P I sort of believe in Heaven, but not Hell, which I know makes no sense whatsoever, but I just can't imagine a God that would let anyone suffer in Hell for all eternity. ::)
[/quote]

That is totally MY view! It makes so much sense to me, lol. I believe what you believe, I think God is too good to make anyone suffer. God wants everybody to be happy, He'd never make us suffer.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 18, 2010, 10:22:21 am

There can be no heaven without hell, that is what I believe and how do we know what god wants for us. All we do know is he doesn't intervene when all these disasters happen because he wants us to make our own choices and therefore suffer any consequences

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 18, 2010, 11:41:06 am

He can't infere with people's lives in the sense that He gave us freewill and He can never take it away from us.

Also, you can't have a Heaven without a Hell. Good without evil. Also don't forget about pergatory. People like Hitler have to go somewhere, right?

My personal beliefs are that your human form dies but your soul lives forever. You got Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. My idea of Heaven (this is where this conversation will lead) is you are surrounded by all your loved ones who have died. You are together again with everyone important in your life, animal or human it doesn't matter.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 18, 2010, 12:40:05 pm

I agree with your view on heaven Vicky, that is what I think it will be like

Purgatory forgot about that I also believe that exists too

That is what I meant that he gave us freewill :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: LijFrodo on February 19, 2010, 09:15:21 am

[color=green]All people who love me will be really upset.I hope,they will never forget me and pray for me ...

And ... There are heaven and hell.It is one of my strong beliefs.Eveybody will have awards and punisments.Good life or bad life ? ... I never believe in reincarnation.If you are an alive presence,you have one chance to find right way and live in world.Human,animal or plant ... It doesn't matter ! ... Our bodies are mortal.But,our souls are immortal forever.There is two choices for them.Good or bad,hell or heavan or ... heaven after hell.But,it will happen after world's end (its name is doomsday in my belief) Souls will have awards or punisments in their graves again.But,they won't go to hell or heaven before doomsday.These punisments or awards are not same of them.I couldn't translate its orginal name in english,sorry ! ... I believe in purgatory also.All souls will wait there until God has a decision about them.It is between heaven and hell in my belief.If you are a good and religious person,you are gonna go to heaven in the end.Because,God (Actually,we never use God in our belief.There is a different name ...) is really most merciful and knows best about everything.All prophets (and everthing which is in world) will be there in doomsday to help people.But,in my belief ; only one prophet (lastest prophet) will help people if you are a good human.I forgot ... First,Angels will examine you about your life when you are in grave and soil.Yesss ... There is more thing.But,I dunno if I can translate them or not ! ... :)[/color]

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 19, 2010, 12:46:51 pm

Wow, this is an interesting subject. I hope you all don't get mad at me for saying what I believe. :P

I believe there is a heaven, and a hell. I don't believe in purgatory, or reincarnation. Just heaven and hell.

As to why God being too kind to send people to hell, think of it this way. God is loving and kind, but He is also just. He cannot let people who break his laws go unpunished.

Say you are in a courtroom, and you have commited a terrible crime, such as murdering someone. Your sentence is capital punishment, and of course you deserve it, if you killed someone. But you say to the judge "Please Judge, I know you are a loving and kind judge, and you wouldn't let me be killed, because you're forgiving!" The judge would probably be shocked. He might not particularly want to see you die, but he is just, and he is a judge, and he has to give you what you deserve. To let a murderer go would be absolutley absurd!

So as they are leading you off to have your sentence carried out, and there's nothing you can do about it to save yourself, a man steps in and says he will take your punishment for you. And they release you, and kill this innocent man instead, because he loves you. He takes your place, so you can go free.

There was nothing the man could do to save himself was there? All he could do was accept this man's gift, and trust him.

So, in my belief, it's just like that. We have all done wrong, even me. You may not be a murderer, but God says to him who keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he is guilty of all. God is the judge, he cannot let you go unpunished, even though he doesn't like to see you go to hell. But then Jesus stepped in and payed your price 2000 years ago, once and for all. All you have to do is accept it, and trust in him, not matter what you have done.

I believe that's the only way we can go to heaven, not by doing good works, not by trying to lead a good life, because everyone makes mistakes, and breaks God's law.

I know this is probably something you might not have wanted to hear, but I just had to tell you what I believe. I hope none of you will get mad at me for telling you, but I believe we should hear every side on it. :) I'm not trying to preach, just telling what I believe. If any of you have any questions you can PM me. :) Thanks

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 19, 2010, 01:29:58 pm

elijah_fan, we don't get mad as long as you don't mind being questioned about your beliefs. We allow you to ask us about us and so all we ask is the same from you.

The Bible states Purgaroty. And I also believe that if you truly repent certain things you have done then God will forgive. After all there is saying among the clergy (in my area) "Repent and you will be saved."

But with pergatory even people in Hell might still get to go to Heaven, it depends on the seriousness of their sin.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 19, 2010, 02:48:14 pm

Thanks Victoria, I was a little worried. :P I don't mind being questioned at all. :)

Yes, I believe that God does forgive you when you ask forgiveness also. I believe he can forgive any thing, no matter how bad. But you have to ask for forgiveness, and be sincere.

That's part of accepting Jesus' gift, and trusting him as I said before. You believe that he paid the penalty for your sins, and ask his forgiveness, and to make you clean, and ask him to come into your life. Then He forgives you, and comes to live inside of you.

You will still sin, but you don't have to ask him in every time you do, because once you accept His gift, He never leaves you, you are always His child. But you still must ask forgiveness when you sin, and try to not do it anymore. That's what I believe. But once you put your trust in Him to save you, you will go to heaven.

I have never seen anything in the Bible about pergatory, if you know where it is would you mind showing me? Because the Bible says that once you die, you either go straight to Heaven or Hell, not to any holding place...

He is loving and forgiving, but also just.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 19, 2010, 04:36:55 pm

:)

If I can find it I'll post it, but according to Catholic doctrine, some souls are not sufficiently free from sin and its consequences to enter the state of heaven immediately, nor are they so sinful as to be destined for hell either. Such souls, ultimately destined to be united with God in heaven, must first endure purgatory—a state of purification. In purgatory, souls "achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: raquel19 on February 19, 2010, 07:22:26 pm

Interesting topic Elizabeth.
Well, my mom always says she will do a "party" if I die, which I think it isn't funny at all, but she is my mother, she is joking. I believe my grandma will have a huge impact and suffer a great depression because she loves me very much. She tells me if I die, she'll come along. But she knows the consequences to that, she knows she has my other siblings will build even a greater impact.
I believe there is Hell and Heaven for people who deserve these type of places, not to be harsh. I believe when people die, they will go directly to Heaven because we are one; human. Every human suffered and has done something horrible in there life, it doesnt have to be what Hitler has done. Like what my God said, he loves everyone equally and they can be forgiven quickly :)


So, when I die, all I know is my loved ones will never be the same without me. My friends-no laughter. My family-a missing number since I was the first born :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 19, 2010, 08:06:57 pm

Victoria, Thanks, I would appreciate that. :) I find no verse at all that mentions the word purgatory in the Bible, or even talks about a holding place.

I would encourage you to look up Luke 23: 39-43. Jesus was hanging on the cross in between 2 criminals. One of them turned and said to Him "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom." (vs. 42), "And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'" (meaning heaven)

The man had obviously sinned, he was a criminal. But he put his faith in Jesus, and believed in him. And Jesus said today you will be with me in Paradise. He didn't have to go to purgatory. Just thought I'd show you that. :)


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But with pergatory even people in Hell might still get to go to Heaven, it depends on the seriousness of their sin.



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Such souls, ultimately destined to be united with God in heaven, must first endure purgatory—a state of purification. In purgatory, souls "achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."


There's also a verse that says "And it is appointed for men to die once. but after this the judgement." (Hebrews 9:27) So, after we die, we are judged, and go to heaven or hell. That also goes for reincarnation, it says we only die once.

I'm not trying to persuade you to believe what I believe, just showing you where I'm coming from, and my view. It says these things in the Bible. And the Bible is not partly true, it's either whole true, or not true at all, and I believe it's all true.

This is a really important subject, I think. Thanks Liz for bringing it up :)






Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 20, 2010, 06:26:47 am

Oh no my apologies I didn't mean to imply that it appears in the Bible. It is a belief held by Catholic officials, I was looking for a link where someone mentioned it. Most Roman Catholics believe that when you die if your soul is not...I'll say clean, your when you die your soul isn't clean enough to enter Heaven but not so dirty to warrant Hell then you go through a purification "peroid" that cleans your soul so you can go to Heaven.

I should also probably tell you that I don't believe everything in the Bible.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 20, 2010, 10:14:39 am

Oh no, I'm sorry, I thought that's what you said. My bad, lol. :)

Well, I have a question. Do you think it's possible for anyone to know for sure where they are going after they die? :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: maryd on February 20, 2010, 10:17:38 am

elijah fan - lol, don't worry, we wouldn't get angry! Especially seeing as you presented your views so clearly and respectfully. :)

This is such a tricky topic! Whoever it was who mentioned Hitler, you've got me stumped - you're right, he surely wouldn't be in Heaven, so I suppose I've got to reconsider my belief about Hell. But I still see God as being willing to forgive anyone who is really sorry for making mistakes in their life - like what you said about the criminals and Jesus, elijah fan.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 20, 2010, 10:21:21 am

[quote author=elijah_ fan link=board=5;threadid=33949;start=0#msg1190530 date=1266678879]
Oh no, I'm sorry, I thought that's what you said. My bad, lol. :)[/quote]A little bit of a misunderstanding on both parts ;)


on 1266678879, elijah_ fan wrote:
Well, I have a question. Do you think it's possible for anyone to know for sure where they are going after they die? :)
Obviously not, because no-one will ever be able to give 100% undoubted evidence. just like you can't prove 100% there is or isn't a God. You know what I mean?

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 20, 2010, 11:22:34 am

:)

I know alot of people feel that way, does that concern you at all?

But I believe I can know for sure. :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 20, 2010, 11:30:24 am

[quote author=elijah_ fan link=board=5;threadid=33949;start=15#msg1190542 date=1266682954]I know alot of people feel that way, does that concern you at all?

But I believe I can know for sure. :)[/quote]No, because I know in my heart God exists. I just know that no-one can show me proof that he does. Which is OK because my heart is the proof :)

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: LijFrodo on February 20, 2010, 12:13:55 pm

[color=green]Girls ... Thats a hot topic ! ... ;D

And ... Purgaroty is more different than yours in my belief.It is between hell and heaven.And,all alive presences (humans) will stay there until God has a decision about their future (hell or heaven).If you are a such bad person,have alot sins (Especially big sins.They are being so unjust and something like this in my belief),don't do anything that isn't useful in world,you can go to hell and stay there forever.If you have little sins,you will go to hell again.But,you will stay heaven forever after you had punisments because of your faults and sins ... :)[/color]

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 21, 2010, 11:05:31 am

[quote author=Damita Jackson P.Y.T. link=board=5;threadid=33949;start=15#msg1190543 date=1266683424]
[quote author=elijah_ fan link=board=5;threadid=33949;start=15#msg1190542 date=1266682954]I know alot of people feel that way, does that concern you at all?

But I believe I can know for sure. :)[/quote]No, because I know in my heart God exists. I just know that no-one can show me proof that he does. Which is OK because my heart is the proof :)
[/quote]

Yeah, you're right. :) We are called to walk by faith, and not by sight. Just like we can't see the wind, but we know it's there. And God puts that knowing in each of our hearts that He is real.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: Misz_Mii on February 22, 2010, 02:11:02 pm

Well, there can be a Heaven without a Hell. He did give us a free will, but he also gave us His son to die for our sins. If we have to go to Hell for our sins, He gave His son for nothing. Jesus died for nothing, if God sends us to Hell just like that.

I do believe there´s something like a place you go right after you´re death were you have to relive your sins or whatever, just to 'pay' in that way for your sins, just see what you did wrong. But I do believe EVERYONE goes to Heaven after they've been through that stage. Even Hitler yes. God loves everybody, even 'bad' people. He will forgive us all. Jesus died for every single person.

Title: Re:What do you think happens when you die?
Post by: elijah fan on February 27, 2010, 12:13:40 pm

Well, I believe you're right in that God does love everybody, and sent his Son Jesus to die for everyone in the world.

But He has to be just also. He sent Jesus as a way for people to not have to go to hell, to take their punishment. It's like a free gift, but not everyone takes it. Not everyone accepts the gift. He wants everyone to. But he gave us freewill, and can't force us to take it.

To accept the gift means to believe in your heart that Jesus is the way to heaven, and that he paid the punishment for your sins by dying on the cross. And then to repent of your sins and try to not do them anymore. I believe that's all you have to do, is just trust in Jesus to save you, because it's a free gift. But not everyone does that.

Hitler didn't trust Jesus to forgive him of his sins, because he didn't even think he did anything wrong I don't think. He wasn't repentant.


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