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Title: Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 16, 2010, 11:03:23 am

The fur and leather topic inspired me to start this.

What are peoples opinions on Organ donation. Would you donate your organs? Are you already an organ donor. Or are you totally against it, or don't want to donate your organs but don't mind anyone else doing so?

I for one don't want to donate my organs but if anyone else chooses to that is fine with me as long as they are fine with their decision.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 16, 2010, 11:35:33 am

May I ask why you won't donate, Elizabeth? I'm just curious :)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 16, 2010, 11:37:29 am

I'm on the organ donor register. If I died prematurely (touch Wood!) I'd like to think my organs were helping other people have a chance at life.

Another question - if you don't mind me adding, Elizabeth! - what do you people think of Opt Out rather than Opt In? I mean, in the UK at the moment you have to choose to register to be an organ donor, but would it be better, in your opinion, if everyone was automatically a donor and you had to choose to take your name off the register instead?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 16, 2010, 02:24:03 pm

Because I don't like the thought of being buried not whole, if you understand what I mean.

Good question mary, I really don't know. I guess for me as the uk stands now is fine with me :)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 16, 2010, 02:29:09 pm


on 1266348243, miss sixty wrote:
Because I don't like the thought of being buried not whole, if you understand what I mean.
But it's a waste. You're not using your organs when you're six feet under and you could save someone's live.

I'm registered on the Organ donor's list and always have been since I was a child.

I think you should be automatically put on the register.

How many of us would take an organ if we needed it? So why not give someone else that chance?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: tiram90 on February 16, 2010, 04:23:05 pm

I'm not registered, but I'm really thinking about doing it.

I think you should be a donor automatically and have to ask to not be. There are very few people who would say no to an organ when they need it, so why not let someone have yours when you don't need it anymore?

A part of me thinks that people who aren't willing to donate, kind of shouldn't get organs either. But at the same time, that wouldn't be right.

I think that if everyone were donors, there would be less crime where people kill children to take their organs and sell them.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 17, 2010, 10:30:39 am


on 1266355385, Marit wrote:
A part of me thinks that people who aren't willing to donate, kind of shouldn't get organs either. But at the same time, that wouldn't be right.
I agree with you. If you're willing to take an organ why would you not donate one? I think it's kinda selfish if you can donate but choose not to.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: LijFrodo on February 17, 2010, 12:54:10 pm

Its a good idea ! Its a good thing to help other poor people.Perhaps,somebody can win life back through me ! ... :)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 17, 2010, 01:42:33 pm

Just found out that organs to be donated are taken from people just after they are took of life support so they are not actually dead. Disgusting!!! No, never in a million years is anyone having my organs, consider me selfish I am fine with that and I don't want any of anyone else because of the reason I stated above

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 17, 2010, 02:06:15 pm

^ Elizabeth, surely if the person has just been taken off life support, then they're certifiably dead and the organs are no use to them anyway? By the way, I'm sure I've read something that said organs have to be quite fresh for them to be used in order to help someone else, and hospitals mainly use organs of people that have died in hospital (though I'm not sure whether this is 100% true, or whether I've forgotten something!). Maybe a doctor can tell us! (Enara?)

(I completely respect your decision, by the way. :) And I wouldn't go so far as to say that people who aren't on the donor list should never receive an organ if they need one, that seems very harsh to me.)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 17, 2010, 02:07:22 pm

Elizabeth where the Hell did you read that?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 17, 2010, 02:13:47 pm

MELBOURNE, Australia, October 21, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A prominent Melbourne doctor has written that, contrary to popular belief, most organ donations take place before the donor is actually dead. He argues that the vague criterion of "brain death" has blinded potential donors to the fact that their organs are often harvested while they are still alive.

just read on google, but it was actually my mum that told me and she said she also heard from a nurse who said people that are took off life support are certifiably dead but she still liked to wait 3 hours before she interfered with the body

Also organs are best took right after patient took of life support as they are how do I say 'still fresh' if you get me

Here you go take at look at this!!!!!

In another example, earlier this year 21-year-old Zack Dunlap was spared from dissection when a relative saw him react to touch minutes before he was scheduled to have his organs removed. Zack was originally deemed eligible to donate his organs when doctors could detect no blood flow to his brain. He later said, however, that he could hear the doctors pronouncing him dead as he lay seemingly unconscious.

And this..

LifeSiteNews (LSN) has reported several recent cases in which patients deemed "brain dead" resuscitated only moments before their organs were to be removed. Such cases have brought more evidence to the table showing that the highly contested definition of "brain death," and the later idea of "cardiac death," do not eliminate the possibility that donors may yet recover from seeming lifelessness.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 17, 2010, 02:16:21 pm

Elizabeth - hmmm....I don't know, I'm doubtful. According to this: http://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a_donor/questions/answers/answers_3.jsp#q7 (the official answers on organ donation, from the NHS website), death is always proclaimed by two experienced doctors before the organs are taken. And death is pronounced the same for organ donors as it is for people who aren't. There may be the odd case, as you've highlighted, but I believe they're the VERY extreme occasions rather than the norm.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 17, 2010, 02:18:53 pm

I think you'll find that those situations are few and far between. The routine for death confirmation is exactly the same as if you haven't registered to donate. Most organ donors are patients who die as a result of a brain haemorrhage, severe head injury, or stroke and who are on a ventilator in a hospital intensive care unit. In these circumstances, death is diagnosed by brain stem tests. There are very clear and strict standards and procedures for doing these tests and they are always performed by two experienced doctors.

I did a 4,000 word paper on this in college and my mom was a nurse so I know what I'm saying.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 17, 2010, 02:21:40 pm

I'm gonna leave it with my last comments above as we could be debating this for all eternity :P

I respect everyone's decision by the way :)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 17, 2010, 02:22:49 pm

^ I'm sure we could, lol! ;) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and info anyways, I find it interesting to consider the opposite view to my own. :)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Misz_Mii on February 18, 2010, 09:30:27 am

[quote author=miss sixty link=board=5;threadid=33948;start=0#msg1190411 date=1266432153]
Just found out that organs to be donated are taken from people just after they are took of life support so they are not actually dead. Disgusting!!! No, never in a million years is anyone having my organs, consider me selfish I am fine with that and I don't want any of anyone else because of the reason I stated above
[/quote]

OMG That is my boyfriends argument when we discussed the topic of organ donation the other night. He was all like: "You're not entirely dead yet and they start taking your organs right away and who says you can't feel it all?!" But let me clarify this once more (it's been done quite often now, haha) Once you're braindead (so you're dead, machines still keep your body alive, but there's no brainactivity whatsoever anymore) they take your organs, because it's best for the organs. Like someone's already said: organs need to be fresh, or the chance of rejection in the adoption body will be bigger.

You are dead, you can't feel a thing and they don't take your organs before your family has said goodbye to you in the hospital. And once they've taken your organs, they stuff you back up and make your body nice again so that if, during the funeral, you'd like an open casket, it won't show that you're missing some organs.

I'm totally pro-donation. I'm donating EVERYTHING, heart, eyes, lungs, everything. My mother isn't too please I'm donating my heart and eyes, because she thinks it's a bit of my personality. Well, personality isn't in ones heart. And it's not like they use the iris of your eyes, they just use the seethrough layer, so it's not like someone else has your eyes.

I actually feel good about me being a registered donor, because I know that I can save lives. I would want an organ if I'd need it, so I think it's only fair to give other people an organ.

I'd even donate an organ to someone who's close to me while I'm still alive. If someone in my family would need an organ and I'd match, I'd totally give up one lung, kidney, or whatever. I wouldn't even have to think about it, I'd be under the knife before they could ask me to think of it.

For those who aren't donating: Will you accept an organ if you'd need one?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on February 18, 2010, 10:20:46 am

In answer to your question Pam probably not

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 18, 2010, 11:40:25 am

[quote author=Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} link=board=5;threadid=33948;start=15#msg1190455 date=1266503427]
I'd even donate an organ to someone who's close to me while I'm still alive. If someone in my family would need an organ and I'd match, I'd totally give up one lung, kidney, or whatever. I wouldn't even have to think about it, I'd be under the knife before they could ask me to think of it.

[/quote]

I think that's a really interesting point to bring up. I agree with you - if someone I loved needed, say, a kidney, and I was a match, I'd give it up without a second thought. I mean, I know giving up a kidney or something can shorten your life, and it means you have to be careful, but I think it'd be a small sacrifice to make, comparably.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 18, 2010, 11:54:46 am


on 1266503427, Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} wrote:
I'm totally pro-donation. I'm donating EVERYTHING, heart, eyes, lungs, everything.
I'm donating everything too, all organs and tissue. One view I have is that, you know, I'll be dead I want need any of that 'junk' any more. Also it's just gonna go to waste if I keep it.


on 1266503427, Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} wrote:
My mother isn't too please I'm donating my heart and eyes, because she thinks it's a bit of my personality. Well, personality isn't in ones heart. And it's not like they use the iris of your eyes, they just use the seethrough layer, so it's not like someone else has your eyes.
My mom is completely behind me but she did say "I could object to it though. I won't but I could." And for some reason it struck me as funny that she assumed I was gonna go first.


on 1266503427, Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} wrote:
I actually feel good about me being a registered donor, because I know that I can save lives. I would want an organ if I'd need it, so I think it's only fair to give other people an organ.
I feel good too. I describe myself as a temporary organ storage holder. I feel a little bit obligated to make sure they stay as good as possible too.


on 1266503427, Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} wrote:
I'd even donate an organ to someone who's close to me while I'm still alive. If someone in my family would need an organ and I'd match, I'd totally give up one lung, kidney, or whatever. I wouldn't even have to think about it, I'd be under the knife before they could ask me to think of it.
See that wouldn't bother me, if they need a kidney (or Hell even the heart) I'd be there (I know they wouldn't take a heart out of a healthy 20 year old but you get the point).


I always want to explain why I may have seemed a little...aggressive last night. When I read Elizabeth's two posts (one of which Pam has quoted) I was worried about a young person coming across it and thinking that the next time they fall asleep in a hospital some doctor was going to rip out their organs while they are still alive (and healthy). So I apologise if I seemed to be shouting Elizabeth down and in doing so offended any-one here. I had a lot on my mind at the time.


OK I have a question (primarily for those of us donating, but those who aren't can take part if they choose): If you donated an organ to someone (something 'light' like a kidney) would you want to about the recipient? Would you want them to contact you? And if you recieved a deceased person's organ (hehe) would you want to know about them or contact their family?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on February 19, 2010, 06:32:43 am

[quote author=Damita Jackson P.Y.T. link=board=5;threadid=33948;start=15#msg1190467 date=1266512086]
OK I have a question (primarily for those of us donating, but those who aren't can take part if they choose): If you donated an organ to someone (something 'light' like a kidney) would you want to about the recipient? Would you want them to contact you? And if you recieved a deceased person's organ (hehe) would you want to know about them or contact their family?
[/quote]

I'd want to know - I think I'd be curious. Definitely if I received an organ, I'd want to at least thank whoever donated it (or their family, if they were dead).

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on February 20, 2010, 06:35:36 am

I'd be curious but I'd also be nervous if it turned out I recieved something from a murderer or a rapist or something :P

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Misz_Mii on February 22, 2010, 02:17:50 pm

Lol, that comment about the temporary organ storage cracked me up ;D

But I wouldn't really care who's organs I'd get :P I'd be happy to get one lol. I'd only contact the family if THEY wanted to, because obviously I'd have a part of their loved one in me.

If I gave up an organ (and still live ;) ) I'd know that person, because I wouldn't give up my organs to a complete and total stranger, so I can't really answer that question. Because obviously I'd be in contact with them haha.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on March 05, 2010, 10:38:34 am

I have another question to ask you all, which I thought would probably slot in here quite nicely: What do you all think about blood donation? Do you donate blood? After all, it's something that your body produces more of to replace any that has been lost, and blood donation is one of the least painless and most relaxing procedures going (at least in my opinion!).

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elizabeth coffey on March 05, 2010, 12:03:47 pm

Never donated blood, I hate needles I remember I had a blood test as a kid and it really hurt. Don't think I will ever donate blood.. :P

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: elijah fan on March 05, 2010, 05:54:58 pm

Hmm... I don't really know. lol :) I hate needles, and I hate shots! But I know there are people who really need it, so maybe I might someday. :) I think my brother might have done it once...

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: tiram90 on March 06, 2010, 03:46:04 am

I really want to be a blood donator. But I can't because of my piercing. I think everyone should donate blood, at least those who got needed types.

What about bone marrow and stem cells? They got new ways of donating that in now, so it ain't as painful as it was before.

I would definitaly do it, because it gives people with cancer a greater possibility to survive.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on March 06, 2010, 12:16:30 pm

Marit - oh yeah, I know that having a piercing means you can't donate blood for a while. :( I donated twice, but then I fainted after the second one and they told me not to come back for a year (I think I was under the target weight just slightly). :P I think my year is nearly up though, and then I'll definitely go back and give it again, if they'll let me!

As for bone marrow and stem cells...I would do it, but the last I heard, you had to go into hospital and have a proper operation to donate that, and...well, I know it probably sounds selfish, but I just don't really have the time to do that at the moment. :-\

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Misz_Mii on March 08, 2010, 09:43:36 am

I'd love to be a blood-donor. I'd donate anything they could use. (except for my ovules)

I've got a few things that keep me from donating blood though:
1) I wouldn't know where to donate blood
2) I'm kind of afraid to do so :-X ::)
3) I don't have the time to do it :-\

I know, stupid reasons, but they've kept me out of the chair for a couple of years now.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Elijahs Impact on March 08, 2010, 11:42:58 am

[quote author=Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} link=board=5;threadid=33948;start=15#msg1191826 date=1268059416]
1) I wouldn't know where to donate blood[/qupteCan you not go to the hospital or maybe go to your GP and ask him/her about it. But I got the same thing so I'm not really one to talk :P[/quote]

You're not scared of needles too are you? I LOVE needles, when I was in hospital I used watch the blood pour into the syringe with such, admiration and respect :D

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on March 08, 2010, 11:45:41 am

[quote author=Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} link=board=5;threadid=33948;start=15#msg1191826 date=1268059416]
I've got a few things that keep me from donating blood though:
1) I wouldn't know where to donate blood
[/quote]

Really? I think that's terrible on the part of health authorities. Over here, blood donation is advertised locally on signposts, and you can just go along at the given time and place.

I never used to like needles much, but with blood donation it just feels like the prick of an injection, and then you don't really notice it anymore.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Misz_Mii on March 08, 2010, 12:18:11 pm

Here it's not very common to donate blood and I honestly think not many people know that there is such a thing as donating blood. It's not talked about as much as organ donation, which is actually very strange, because blood is needed as well.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on March 08, 2010, 02:05:35 pm

I wouldn't say it's common here to give blood either - I think only about 6% of people here do. But I think the government is trying to change that - when I was in my last year at school, we had a talk from people from the hospital, about blood donation, which was a good idea and definitely convinced some people I know to do it.

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Kathi on March 09, 2010, 05:52:26 am

I went to donate plasma once, but it kind of didn't work. They pump blood out of your body, the blood is separated from the plasma and the blood is pumped back in. But somehow the flow wasn't going very well (can't explain it any better, sorry) and the next day I couldn't move my arm anymore. It got swollen and it got all green, blue and black. It got worse over time, so that my whole underarm was kind of blue-ish. But, of course, after 2 weeks or something it got better and I even went to donate plasma again, but it didn't work, they had to stop in the middle o the procedure...
But I want to go to donate blood, I guess that won't turn out so bad ::)

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: Misz_Mii on March 17, 2010, 05:18:42 am

There was this show on tv and there was this little girl waiting for a kidney. There was also a little boy, waiting for that same kidney, though he was older than the girl was. Who do you think deserves the kidney more?

Title: Re:Organ Donation - Right or Wrong?
Post by: maryd on March 18, 2010, 08:53:50 am

Interesting thought, Pamela. I personally don't think it would be fair to say who 'deserves' a kidney more than the other. Obviously the best case scenario would be to give them both a kidney. But I suppose if the choice had to be made, then it should go to the person that needs it most urgently, and maybe another kidney would be available by the time the other one needed it.


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