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Title: Nationality
Post by: maryd on March 09, 2009, 03:10:31 pm

I was writing an answer for school earlier and it asked 'Do you see yourself as an Irish person or a European?' I answered 'Irish' but now I'm thinking more on it, I think maybe I feel European too. What do the rest of you think?

As well as that, are you proud of what nationality you are? This is quite interesting for me, nationality is a big talking point here in NI.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: jen10 on March 09, 2009, 08:43:57 pm

well, if you want my opinion, i don't exactly think it matters all that much. i mean, we are ALL people here. isn't that the important thing? :D :) i am proud of my nationality, of course. but i just don't find it important. :) just my opinion. :)

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Misz_Mii on March 10, 2009, 09:52:51 am

Well, Jen, you say of course you are proud of your nationality, but Dutch people aren't proud of their roots AT ALL. A lot of them people out here don't really honour the special days we have here and people aren't really proud of our country.

I am somewhat proud to be Dutch though, because I'm taught about our history and I think we've done amazing things and I am proud that people from my country, Holland, did such amazing stuff. I think our country is pretty tolerant, compared to other European countries and I think that's a good thing. Sometimes I think we're too tolerant, but that's another topic.

I don't know, I'm somewhat proud to be Dutch, I don't feel European at all really... the only European thing that I deal with daily is the euro, the money. Nothing more. I feel more like a citizen of the world than a European.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: cjhammond on March 10, 2009, 02:56:38 pm

~grins~ how one of my most favorite guys from German political cabaret once put it: I've got enough on my plate with being human, so there's little time left for being "German" ;)

While I like some of the historic references I relate to my heritage (especially in literature and music, like Goethe, Schiller or Bach), I think that focusing on what makes us different from one another should only be done once we agree that we share so much more (compared to what sets us apart).

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on March 11, 2009, 08:56:04 pm

I used to be slightly ashamed to be an Australian for many reasons :-[, but that's changed over the years. Now... I don't know if "proud" is the word... but I'm very happy to live here because it's a wonderful country for the most part. :D

However, I've never "felt" particularly Australian, as I don't fit the stereotype of a typical tall blonde surfer chick, or Cate Blanchett/Naomi Watts/Nicole Kidman type. ::)

My family is a real multicultural melting pot of Italian, Sri Lankan, Dutch, Belgian, Portugese and English, hence I don't feel like I'm any specific "nationality" just another 'citizen of the world' as Pam put it.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: elizabeth coffey on March 11, 2009, 10:01:30 pm

No I wouldnt say I was proud to be british, to come from a country renowned for the worst tourists!! Binge drinking and all other bad things to do with british youngsters.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: maryd on March 12, 2009, 01:04:56 pm

Interesting answers for the most part. Living in NI, half the people see themselves as British, half as Irish, lol!

I agree to a certain extent with those of you who say it doesn't really matter about what nationality you are. Sometimes it just leads to conflict, as seen in my country. But on the other hand, don't you think that embracing your nationality means that you embrace your culture? Ireland has an amazing culture and I think you miss out on some of that if you don't see yourself as Irish.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Mai_o_ya on March 12, 2009, 03:07:08 pm

well, its very interesting topic

as you know i'm half half :)(Egyptian - Italian)

but to be honest, I didn't go back to Italy for long long time ago :(...I'm not fluent at Italian , i live in Egypt , raised here and took my education here...i consider my self more Egyptian for the previous reasons :)...im so proud to have this multiple culture though , i love all the country of the world, i hope to be Earthian not just a specific nationality :)

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on March 12, 2009, 07:17:24 pm

[quote author=maryd link=board=5;threadid=33647;start=0#msg1177727 date=1236877496]
...don't you think that embracing your nationality means that you embrace your culture? [/quote]

^ Quite possibly Mary, and I'd love to feel like I could embrace my culture, however speaking from my own personal experience, it's hard to know which culture to embrace. :-\

I've never lived in any other country BUT Australia, but I grew up being mostly influenced by the Sri Lankan culture (traditions, food etc) as my Dad emigrated here from British-occupied Sri Lanka (Ceylon) in the 1950s... He himself comes from a multiracial, mostly European background just to confuse matters. ::)

My mum's parents came from Italy to Australia, but they died before I was born, so I never really had a great deal of Italian influence. I guess I just count myself as an "Aussie" - even though I'm not entirely sure what that means(?)

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: elizabeth coffey on March 13, 2009, 12:38:26 am

I guess you are right mary but am I truly happy with the british culture is another question.. :P

If I were you Gem I would embrace sri lankin and aussie cultures :-*

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Nutella Sister on March 13, 2009, 03:54:03 am

Not to mention that I am proud of my nationality but I'm ok with it.. thou I am more proud that I was born in the US ::) :P

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Billswife on March 16, 2009, 12:11:25 am

I am happy to be 1/4 Cherokee, and I have no issues with the other 3/4 of me that's Norwiegan, Swedish, Dutch, German, Scottish, Lithuanain ect.

Though I am not Jewish I do also love my Jewish maiden name and the Jewish family that legaly adopted me that I grew up around. I've got a 1/2 Columbain cousin on that side of the family too how now lives there.

I speak both Spanish and English. (Though Spanish not as well as I'd like to).

((shrugs)) ??? I guess American has to do it.

Though like Gemstar said your country doesn't always define "nationality" exactly because you can be an Aussie or an American, or from any place really and still be from a blend of alot of different cultures and backgrounds.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: ejwoodfan on June 09, 2009, 05:44:20 pm

I think the diversity of people is amazing, thats one of the things I love about England, there are 10 houses on my street and we have English, Irish, african and polish! how cool is that? and we all get on 8)

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: maryd on June 10, 2009, 06:34:47 am

It's interesting to come back to this thread again - I don't know about anyone else, but culture and nationality is something that really interests me, whether it's from my background or just my own personality.

ejwoodfan - that's brilliant, that all those different cultures get on so well. I personally feel (and do feel free to challenge me here, anyone) that people today are generally more open-minded to new cultures (of course there are always going to be racists and things like that, but I think the problem is less widespread today).

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Billswife on June 10, 2009, 01:25:20 pm

Absolutely Mary. People are definately getting more tollerant with time and experience. And any city and countries culture is bound to diversify given enough time due to people moving ect. One thing I do like about were I live is you get to meet so many people from all over. At work there is a guy from Ghana, Two people from Pueterto Rico, Another lady who was born in Itally and our partners are in Mumbai and another part of the company is in Canada so in one afternoon I feel like I've talked to somebody from everywhere.

Too me though sometimes it seems like I identify not with the country I'm from but with whatever company I'm working for. :o :( ;) A global company is like that though you are not a citiczen of any particular country you feel like a "citiczen" of that corporation :-[. It's kind of wierd.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: ejwoodfan on June 10, 2009, 03:49:12 pm

where I come from there can be allot of prejudice around people that come from Pakistan! they seem to think they get more than the English people (they don't) and they really don't like Irish travelers. But on the whole things are getting better.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: maryd on June 11, 2009, 05:24:16 am

Em - I know what you mean when you say you identify with your company. I do that with my school - we're like our own nationality within the town..lol. ;0 :P

I'm not sure we have a big problem here with racism as such - it's more religious prejudice we have.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: raquel19 on August 09, 2009, 02:23:35 pm

Well, my background is Portuguese because my my whole family comes from Portugal. But I was born in Canada. So I am Canadian and Portuguese. :P

Am I out of the topic? lol

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Misz_Mii on August 10, 2009, 08:18:02 am

Well, lately I've been researching more and more about other cultures and once again I was proven to be right. Our people are not proud of their nationality at all, compared to other countries! Most Dutch people don't even know how to sing our national anthem! I mean... HELLO!? :P

I still am proud to be Dutch, but it's not like I think other nationalities are less special than me or that my nationality is the best. I don't really care for nationalities, I care more for morals and culture. It's not about what you are, but about who you are and how you handle and act.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Raiwen on August 11, 2009, 12:34:02 pm

[quote author=maryd link=board=5;threadid=33647;start=15#msg1180060 date=1244712256]

I'm not sure we have a big problem here with racism as such - it's more religious prejudice we have.
[/quote]

In Northern Ireland? I would have to disagree with you there. I think we have a huge problem with racism. One survey showed that more people would have a problem with someone of a different ethnic or racial origin living beside them than someone of a different religion. Racial attacks and racist abuse has increased. Migrant workers have been chased out of their homes here and the response of one assembly member? Oh well, people just invent racism so they can get money from the government. And those comments barely raise an eyebrow. I think racism is as big a problem as sectarianism right now, if not bigger. We're just so used to it always being protestant/catholic that that's the one we focus on.

Anyway, to stay on topic... I hold an Irish passport but I think I'd call myself Northern Irish before Irish. I wasn't brought up to think of myself as British, my parents are pretty nationalist. I've never been all that flag-wavingly proud of my country, I like it and I like the culture, but I'm not wildly patriotic.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: maryd on August 11, 2009, 02:23:07 pm

Rai - I agree with you, things have come to the fore recently regarding racism here. Of course it's disgraceful that so many migrant workers would rather go home than stay here.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: myFrodo on January 27, 2010, 01:56:08 pm

My nationality is Peruvian, but my great-grandmother (mom's side) had a Jewish background.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on January 27, 2010, 06:51:23 pm

Once again this topic caught my eye, mainly because it was "Australia Day" here on the 26th Jan: our country's national day of celebration.

It's usually pretty obvious that the majority of my fellow countrymen aren't very patriotic at ALL - with most of us only being able to remember the first verse of our own National Anthem (and only then because we have to sing it at sporting functions)... much like Pam's comment below.

[quote author=Young&Desperate 4Attention{DA} link=board=5;threadid=33647;start=15#msg1181421 date=1249906682]
Well, lately I've been researching more and more about other cultures and once again I was proven to be right. Our people are not proud of their nationality at all, compared to other countries! Most Dutch people don't even know how to sing our national anthem! I mean... HELLO!? :P
[/quote]

Also, a lot of guilt mars the supposedly 'celebratory' nature of the occasion, because (unlike the American 4th of July) OUR national day celebrates the day the British Empire forcibly took possession of the land from the native Aboriginal people.

Therefore it has often been bitterly referred to as "Invasion Day".

But I noticed things were different this year. There were more flags out the front of houses and hanging off of cars. People went in for "Australia Day" parties and BBQs with a fervour not usually seen. Why?

Sadly, I put it down to a current resurgence in racist attitudes within our country, rather than an increase in patriotic feeling. :( :P :-[

Thus, I'm not sure if giant levels of nationalism necessarily = peace, pride and racial harmony.

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on January 27, 2010, 10:31:23 pm

lol ... this topic is old.

But sure, I'm American. ... and I like being American. I hear a lot of internet people hating on Americans, calling us "stupid" and whatnot... I've noticed that trend particularly on youtube (the site i surf the most often). If an American does something unusual or stupid ... rather than blaming the INDIVIDUAL they say something like "Americans are so freaking stupid." ... It's obnoxiously stereotypical. ::)

But hey, that's just psychology for ya. People get a certain idea about a group of people, and anything they see that could back up that idea is "proof" that they were right. Likewise, any example that does NOT conform to that idea is either ignored or overlooked as being a special case. It's annoying psychology, but psychology nonetheless.

Anyway, yes... I'm a proud American... Our country may have its faults, but I like it here. :)

Title: Re:Nationality
Post by: maryd on January 28, 2010, 06:14:04 am

Interesting answers - Gem, I never really knew what Australia Day celebrated, so thanks for the info. Jess - stereotypes are so annoying! (Irish people never say "Top of the mornin' to ye!" and we're not always drunk/fighting/overly religious!) :P

[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=5;threadid=33647;start=15#msg1189555 date=1264636283]
Thus, I'm not sure if giant levels of nationalism necessarily = peace, pride and racial harmony.
[/quote]

I'd agree with that - in history I think a lot of nationalism sometimes resulted in violence. :P


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