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Title: what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mayadeprei on February 27, 2005, 02:16:38 pm

Hi,

I was just wondering, what do you think of legalizing cannabis use?

Do you agree or could you never agree on legalizing drugs?

Myself, i could never agree, I think cannabis is just another step to hard drugs. I also think it is sick when being addicted to alcohol, so i wouldn't mind either there were more laws on this in our country. Here it is allowed to drink alcohol when you're 16, I think this is rather young, especially when you see, lots of youngsters are really drunk every weekend.

so second question; do you thing alcohol is a drug?


p.s. sorry if there is already a thread about this, i did search, but I didn't found one.
p.p.s because some of the other interesting debates were (rightly) locked because everything turned around the bible, i would really appreciate it if you wouldn't start a religious discussion in here IN ANY WAY! thanks

I'm really looking forward on hearing what you all think...

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 02:24:21 pm

I don't know what Cannabis is. does it have a second name? or a slang name?

2nd question: No, i do not think alcohol is a drug. ... I think it's alcohol.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mayadeprei on February 27, 2005, 02:26:58 pm

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830849 date=1109532261]
I don't know what Cannabis is. does it have a second name? or a slang name?

[/quote]

cannabis: hemp, marijuana, hashish

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Raiwen on February 27, 2005, 02:33:38 pm

I don't agree with it being fully legalized. I do think that doctors should be allowed to provide it for patients who they think genuinely need it but not that it should be made easily available to everyone.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 02:35:45 pm

Ahh, weed. Ok. i figured that's what it was, but i'd never heard it called that before. I live in a county that is totally obsessed with drugs. meth, OC, weed, crack, ... you name it, we have it. ... and most people know how to get it. heck, I know where to get it... and i don't even attempt to find out, it just falls into my ear.

People go to pushers and get it now, if it was legal, they'd just have to walk into a store. I don't really think it should be legalized though... because, if you think about it, weed can really make you... well... out of it. And i think i'd be dangerous if you had like, a drive through window for hash. I think that would just encourage "smoking and driving." although, if it was leagalized, it'd keep a lot of ppl i know out of jail... :-\ :-[

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: The Used on February 27, 2005, 02:37:10 pm

[color=Green]I don't think it should be legal.
I already see kids at school wasting away their lives by using this crap, so no.

And for medical reasons, maybe.
To ease the pain, but heh.

Some time ago the Canadian government was talking about legalizing it. ::)

But it's not legal, only for medical purposes. [/color]

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: deenan on February 27, 2005, 02:37:12 pm

;D first i have to tell you i thought your topic was
"what do you think about legalizing cannibals." ;D ::)

anyway, i don't know if it would do any good legalizing it. there is just so much of it all over, what's the point. it still will be a problem. if you get caught with a small amount, it's only a misdemeanor.

alcohol is a drug in my book. you can get addicted to it as easily as any other drug if it affects your lifestyle.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on February 27, 2005, 02:37:56 pm

I think if it was fully legalized then there wouldn't be such a rush for it, as it isn't bad to do it.

There is no forbidden fruit in the system of getting your hands on it. So I don't think it would be that bad to legalized it fully.

I'm neither for it or agasint it.

I hardly think it would send crime rates up either. I mean people would be too stoned to want to do anything ::) lol ;D.

And I do think Alochol is a drug. It is a drug, it is a stimulant. It's addictive like tabacco and other drugs whatever they may be. Such as caffiene is a drug aswell.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 02:42:21 pm

[quote author=deenan (O.L.C.) link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830867 date=1109533032]
;D first i have to tell you i thought your topic was
"what do you think about legalizing cannibals." ;D ::)
[/quote]

LOL! that's what i thought... it's like "What? they're gonna legalize humans eating other humans??" lol ::)

I don't think this will be much of a debate thread. ... where's the differing views? i think everyone (well, most everyone) would agree that it should only be used for medical purposes as seen fit by the doctors. ahh well, still should be an interesting discussion.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mayadeprei on February 27, 2005, 02:45:52 pm

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830871 date=1109533341]
[quote author=deenan (O.L.C.) link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830867 date=1109533032]
;D first i have to tell you i thought your topic was
"what do you think about legalizing cannibals." ;D ::)
[/quote]

LOL! that's what i thought... it's like "What? they're gonna legalize humans eating other humans??" lol ::)

I don't think this will be much of a debate thread. ... where's the differing views? i think everyone (well, most everyone) would agree that it should only be used for medical purposes as seen fit by the doctors. [/quote]

dunno about that, in Belgium there has been some serious thinking about legalizing it! At the last minute they decided it wouldn't be. I know it is legal in the Netherlands too.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on February 27, 2005, 03:11:56 pm

It is legal here. And guess what? Where not all junkies. :o Nice thread. I'll probably have to dig up research and statistics to counter all the prejudice and misconceptions and tell people we're not a completely stoned and demoralized country.... ::)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 03:19:26 pm

lol, well, waddayay know! a different point of view! hey, miriel. That's kinda interesting. Why did your government decide to legalize it?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 27, 2005, 03:34:39 pm

Although I don't think it should be legalized, I don't think it should carry such a harsh penalty. I'm approaching this mainly from an economic standpoint. When people are imprisioned for pot, it wastes government money. Personally, it makes more sense to just place a fine on ownership of pot. If there was a fine, the government would gain money rather than lose it.

[quote author=xLaurax link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830868 date=1109533076]
And I do think Alochol is a drug. It is a drug, it is a stimulant. It's addictive like tabacco and other drugs whatever they may be. Such as caffiene is a drug aswell.
[/quote]
For the sake of being anal, alcohol is a depressant actually.

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830900 date=1109535566]
Why did your government decide to legalize it?
[/quote]
To boost tourism.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Frankie81 on February 27, 2005, 03:50:23 pm

[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830895 date=1109535116]
It is legal here. And guess what? Where not all junkies. :o Nice thread. I'll probably have to dig up research and statistics to counter all the prejudice and misconceptions and tell people we're not a completely stoned and demoralized country.... ::)
[/quote]
Haha, glad you're joining this thread. You didn't tell us your opinion though, but I assume you agree with your government on this?

Personally, I think it should be legalized. It's just as dangerous and fun as alcohol and cigarettes in my opinion.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 04:02:40 pm

[quote author=Frankie81 link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830923 date=1109537423]

Personally, I think it should be legalized. It's just as dangerous and fun as alcohol and cigarettes in my opinion.
[/quote]

Hmm, i dunno. ... I mean, i know weed isn't a halagenic drug, but i've heard of people halucinating when they're high. Wouldn't this cause it to be more dangerous than cigs? Now alcohol, i dunno about that... because it makes you "get away from yourself" as well, or so i've heard. but i still don't think you halucinate when you're drunk, do you?

Well, maybe it is a halagenic drug. now that i'm thinking about it, i can't really remember. I know lsd and pcp are... but i can't remember about marajauna.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 27, 2005, 04:10:14 pm

Weed only makes you hallucinate if it is laced with something. That's the problem with pot. You really don't know what your dealer did to it to make it weigh more so that you pay more for less pot. If it were legalized, maybe people would be able to get pot that wasn't laced.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on February 27, 2005, 04:27:30 pm

[quote author=Ghey link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830911 date=1109536479]
[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830900 date=1109535566]
Why did your government decide to legalize it?
[/quote]
To boost tourism.
[/quote]

Ow, come on ghey, I know you are the selfproclaimed resident moron, but really, you are more intelligents than resorting to comments like this. People who don't know anything about the dutch drug policy should pretend they do. That would make things a lot less confusing.

Now why they legalized it here: people often assume it was an out-of-contriol liberal gesture of the dutch government, but it actually was there concern about hard drugs and crime that made them come to the discision. The sale of softdrugs is very carefully monitored and adults are allowed a teensy bit of possession. I really should read up on this and how to put it in correct english, but it's after 10 pm here and I have class at 9 tomorrow so...

Anyway: It isn't fully legalised in the sense that anyone can sell and have it. You are also not allowed to use drugs in public areas ecxept for coffeshops (here those are the shops that sell the stuff) There is no way hard drugs will ever be legalised and we don't have a bigger drugsproblem than other countries.

Foreigners always assume that everyone uses softdrugs here or that mom and that allow it or something. I hate those exchange students who come here for the pot and think they are all cool and stuff. ::)

hope this thakes away a bit of the wrong ideas, but I'm guessing I'm not even halfway there yet.....

edit: ow my personal opinion? I'm not unsatisfied with the way things are going here. (in the softdrugsarea I mean) Now the harddrugs: I think they still don't handle that well enough yet. I don't think and hope that my government will legalise harddrugs in any way. I would be frimly against that

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: birgitmanneck on February 27, 2005, 04:31:04 pm

no , I think canabis should not be legalize . There would be to much more people than that would take them .

Yes I think that Alcohol is a drog ! And its much more dangerous than canabis !!!!!!!

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 27, 2005, 04:42:18 pm

Sorry Miriel, that was my lame attempt at humor, but you have to admit, that it probably doesn't hurt the tourism industry.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Chanterella on February 27, 2005, 04:56:12 pm

What is the fun of smoking pot that isn't laced? Does it give you the same kind of pleasure as ciggars? I thought people only took it because of the allucinations and the feeling of being light and happy. Do you still feel "light and happy" if it's not mixed with something? It is as addictive as ciggars?

Sorry about all these questions. :P ;)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on February 27, 2005, 07:06:59 pm

[quote author=Ghey link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg830943 date=1109538614]
Weed only makes you hallucinate if it is laced with something. That's the problem with pot. You really don't know what your dealer did to it to make it weigh more so that you pay more for less pot. If it were legalized, maybe people would be able to get pot that wasn't laced.
[/quote]

Ahh, i didn't know you could lace pot. I knew that they mixed cocain with different chemicals to make it go farther... but i didn't know that the same could be done for pot. ... it's probly pretty evident that i'm not very knowledgable in the way of drugs. I just remember stuff from health class, books i've read, reports i've done... what not. I've never experimented with them, and don't really want to because of the stories that i've heard... but, yeah, pardon my ignorance.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 27, 2005, 10:22:28 pm

I'm sure some people like for their pot to be laced, but you never know what it's laced with. Pot, alone, is pretty hard to overdose from. However, you could get some really bad effects from whatever it's laced from.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Emmi on February 28, 2005, 01:22:24 am

[quote author=Ghey link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=0#msg830911 date=1109536479]
Although I don't think it should be legalized, I don't think it should carry such a harsh penalty. I'm approaching this mainly from an economic standpoint. When people are imprisioned for pot, it wastes government money. Personally, it makes more sense to just place a fine on ownership of pot. If there was a fine, the government would gain money rather than lose it.
[/quote]

The government thought The "three strikes" rule, implemented in the late 80's/ early 90's, would help bring down the big drug cartels. Unfortunately once the law was in place, only small time pot sellers/ users began to get caught.

It was one of those laws that worked in theory, but not in practical use. I believe they are going over legislation in order to bring down the numbers in prison for possession, but its a tricky one to get through all the 'red tape'.

Personally I don't think It should be legalized. Even for medical uses. The smoke created by smoking Pot is just as harmful as cigarette smoke, so it's ridiculous to think that it would help in any extra way that current pain reliving drugs do.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on February 28, 2005, 05:16:02 am

Sorry Ghey, I usually can take a joke, but lately I easily snap at the things said here, because...well, let's not go there.

Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.

What I think is good about the legalisation of cannabis, is that there is way more control on what is going around and what is in it. I also think that because we don't get our knickers in a twist when you mention weed, we don't have so much of a problem with young people wanting to try things and ending up as junkies. You get enourmous amounts of information and education about drugs when you are young here. For most teenagers, it's about as exciting and shocking as secretly smoking a cigarette. It's the same thing as with alcohol. let me give an example:

When I was 16, a friend of mine ahd an exchangeprogramme with Canada at her school. I ended up at a party with about 20 dutch kids and the same number of canadians. There was beer. The Canadian kids completely lost it, started boozing like maniacs and all ended up wasted. Wich was after abou half an hour, because they get drunk after one or two beers allready. That was boring. In fact, a lot of tjose kids were as often drunk and stoned as they could. Why? Their explanation: We're not allowed it at home, it seems cool, we want to try it...blablabla.

Now you all probably think dutch teenagers drink a lot of alcohol and smoke a lot of pot. Not at all. Absolutely not true. I think we learn to handle it in a much more mature way.

NOTE: Don't think the dutch are pro-pot or something. Drugs aren't seen as harmless or ok to use. You'll get your ass kicked by mum and dad just like in any other country.

And I personally have never and will never use any kind of drugs.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Frankie81 on February 28, 2005, 07:17:01 am

[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg831234 date=1109585762]Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.
[/quote]
Hm ... I'm not saying it was legalized because the tourism would increase, but I do think it might've helped a little. There are in fact lots of people who would travel there, because of this. I don't know where you live but Amsterdam is a fun city (with or without cannabis) and definitely worth a trip :P

[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg831234 date=1109585762]
When I was 16, a friend of mine ahd an exchangeprogramme with Canada at her school. I ended up at a party with about 20 dutch kids and the same number of canadians. There was beer. The Canadian kids completely lost it, started boozing like maniacs and all ended up wasted. Wich was after abou half an hour, because they get drunk after one or two beers allready. That was boring. In fact, a lot of tjose kids were as often drunk and stoned as they could. Why? Their explanation: We're not allowed it at home, it seems cool, we want to try it...blablabla.[/quote]
Ah yeah, I've seen similar situations and it's partly the reason why I think it should be legalized. If something's forbidden it becomes even more interesting and people just can't wait to get their hands on it. If you take drugs just because it's cool and use them whenever you get the chance, of course it will easily get out of control.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on February 28, 2005, 08:03:08 am

[quote author=Frankie81 link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg831258 date=1109593021]
[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg831234 date=1109585762]Anyway: Actually I don't know if or how much it boost our touristindustry. The touristindustry isn't really of a big economic importance here anyway. I mean, it's a tiny place with one of the highest populationdensities in the world. Everything is flat, the weather sucks... I don't think it's a great holiday destination anyway...
I don't think people come here because of the drugs. If they are: they are going to get dissapointed, I can tell you that.

In any case it was absolutely not the reason cannabis was 'legalized' here.
[/quote]
Hm ... I'm not saying it was legalized because the tourism would increase, but I do think it might've helped a little. There are in fact lots of people who would travel there, because of this. I don't know where you live but Amsterdam is a fun city (with or without cannabis) and definitely worth a trip :P[/quote]

? What is that with foreigners and Amsterdam? :P People seem to thing it is some kind of sodom and gomorra with nothing but sex,drugs and...booze? In reality, it's just a city, like Cologne or Brussels are just cities. I don't know if you've ever been to Amsterdam, but don't believe those wild blabla stories people tell you, they're really making it up... ::)

I live in Utrecht by the way, which is about the same as Amsterdam, but less touristic. I have family and friends in Amsterdam and go there often, but I actually like Utrecht better. :P (btw:Holland is such a small country, I think three hours is the longest you can travel in one line in this country, without ending up in Germany, Belgium or the Northsea...Most people can easily visit any major city here so it's not much of a surprise I've been in Amsterdam often...)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Frankie81 on February 28, 2005, 08:25:11 am

[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg831266 date=1109595788]
? What is that with foreigners and Amsterdam? :P People seem to thing it is some kind of sodom and gomorra with nothing but sex,drugs and...booze? In reality, it's just a city, like Cologne or Brussels are just cities. I don't know if you've ever been to Amsterdam, but don't believe those wild blabla stories people tell you, they're really making it up... ::)[/quote]
*lol* No, I didn't mean to say you're all junkies who walk around stoned all day and I personally don't know anyone who thinks of the dutch that way, so don't worry about it ;)

I've been to Amsterdam before but that's quite a while back so the most impressive thing I remember is all the houseboats ;D

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 01, 2005, 11:56:26 am

Drugs are bad, bad, bad. LOL. Well, that came out funny when I thought it up in my head, but I guess once you read it, it isn't, really. Anyways, I think drugs are bad. They're definitely harmful to peoples' health, and they sort of destroy a lot of families. That's probably the only reasons I don't think it should be legalized. Honestly, though, I don't see why the government doesn't legalize pot. They let people drink, don't they? I figure if the pot isn't laced with anything, it isn't any worse than being drunk. Both cause problems, I think. I've never been high or drunk before, so I really couldn't tell you, but from what I've seen of people being drunk and people high on pot, they're both pretty disoriented for the most part.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mmmcookies on March 01, 2005, 12:12:57 pm

i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:15:57 pm

lol, but don't you also want to do that to all the "stupid" people too? Cookies, are you reading go ask alice? is that what is making you so upset? :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 01, 2005, 12:16:34 pm

Now, now, Cookies. Calm down. It's just pot ... I mean, it's bad, but I don't think we should execute them on the spot just because they smoke it. LOL.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:17:59 pm

[quote author=Kari_Grace link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832018 date=1109697394]
Now, now, Cookies. Calm down. It's just pot ... I mean, it's bad, but I don't think we should execute them on the spot just because they smoke it. LOL.
[/quote]

I think he's referring to sending them underground to work. I've discussed this type of thing with him before, and that seems to be his pov.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mmmcookies on March 01, 2005, 12:20:22 pm

think about all the problems it would solve, if we eliminated all the crack heads, coke dealers and abusers from the world, third world countries that are facing starvation would not have as many problems.... the youth would not be corrupted.... kari how can you say that "its just pot" well it is just God... how would you feel if we just threw him out the window and started worshipping frogs? wouldnt you feel alienated if Christianity became "just Christianity"... by ignoring pot like your narrow mind is doing you're dooming the world to a state of peril filled with crack babies!

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:24:52 pm

*le gasp* you broke the girl's rule at the beginning by bringing religion into it, cookies. ... sure that was a bit discriminative... but you may want to get rid of that, in order to avoid hurt feelings and ur entire post getting deleted... because this isn't the place.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mmmcookies on March 01, 2005, 12:26:43 pm

i'm sorry that i brought religion into it but i'm not debating religous values i was only using it as an example for kari

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 01, 2005, 12:29:15 pm


Quote:
think about all the problems it would solve, if we eliminated all the crack heads, coke dealers and abusers from the world, third world countries that are facing starvation would not have as many problems.... the youth would not be corrupted.... kari how can you say that "its just pot" well it is just God... how would you feel if we just threw him out the window and started worshipping frogs? wouldnt you feel alienated if Christianity became "just Christianity"... by ignoring pot like your narrow mind is doing you're dooming the world to a state of peril filled with crack babies!

Oh, Cookies, Cookies, Cookies. LOL. That was a bit discriminate ... or a lot discriminate. Haha. Too bad I know you too well to get mad at you. Oh, well. Anyways, I never said it wasn't wrong, but I didn't wanna bring religion into it because I've been accused of having no opinions that weren't completely led by my religion. LOL ... and you know what? This is one of those opinions that isn't driven by religion. I do think pot and alcohol and all that stuff is sinful, but if they're going to let any of it be legal, I say why not let all of it be legal, as long as they're doing it in their own homes and not hurting anybody?
[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832028 date=1109698003]
i'm sorry that i brought religion into it but i'm not debating religous values i was only using it as an example for kari
[/quote]
Yeah, I know. LOL. Let us just not speak of it anymore, okay? Hehe.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:31:23 pm

yes, but what if kari replies to that example. I know it made me somewhat mad, cookies. I'm just not replying for the sake of trying to keep the religious discussion on the relgious thread.

See^^^ she replied.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mmmcookies on March 01, 2005, 12:32:58 pm

i'm avoiding the religion issue.... but people cant just be trusted to do things in there own home... thats like saying child molestation is ok as long as people do it in there own home and the kid is brainwashed into believing it as ok too.... your whole view is seriously jaded

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 01, 2005, 12:33:53 pm

[quote]yes, but what if kari replies to that example. I know it made me somewhat mad, cookies. I'm just not replying for the sake of trying to keep the religious discussion on the relgious thread.

See^^^ she replied. [/quote]
True, true. I also said no more talk of it, though, didn't I? Now, Jess, why do you think it shouldn't be legal exactly?
Now, as for you, Cookies. You're a pompous fool on pot. LOL. Just kidding. If I didn't like you so much, I'd probably really think that about you. Hehe.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:36:24 pm

That's actually somewhat of a point. But, well, i don't know. I don't feel it should be legalized, but i don't think it should carry quite the punishment it does. It's not child molestation, it's a drug. I think if people are caught with pot, they should be sent to rehab. ... not to some underground work place or be killed.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mmmcookies on March 01, 2005, 12:38:22 pm

where are you getting underground workplace? i meant that they are put down, euthanized, get the picture? lol...

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 12:41:38 pm

You told me workplace a long time ago... one day when we were board in home room. ;)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 01, 2005, 12:46:00 pm

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832048 date=1109698898]
You told me workplace a long time ago... one day when we were board in home room. ;)
[/quote]
Bored in homeroom. LOL. Sorry, I had to correct it . . . misspellings kill me! I think people should be sent to rehab as it is right now, but that's beside the point really. The discussion isn't what should be done to people who smoke pot, it's should it be legalized or not.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: mayadeprei on March 01, 2005, 03:59:56 pm

interesting to read your opinions! i almost had to lock it but you guys got on the right track again ;).

I wanted to add that i can agree with using cannbis as medication when you are really ill, but only under strict medical instructions!

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: dontmesswithtrees on March 01, 2005, 04:15:00 pm

Lol, hey guys, im not here often so you might wanna PM me if you wanna ask me anything...

I cant see how Religion could get into a debate about drugs :P
I mean come on, Some people do them, some people dont, religion or no religion.

Personally i think it should be legallised. I mean come one, if people want to smoke it they will wether its legal or not, im 15 and i know 6 Drug dealers only a few years older than me, and guess what? They're not complete Toss heads and stoners, they're all working or at college and im being honest when i say they're all doing really well for themselves.

I have tried Weed, and it didnt bother me so much, i can think of lots of worse things i ve been offered. Its not so much of a big deal anymore, and i think legallising it will take away some of the Appeal. it wont be anything special anymore, and people wont be ashamed to get help.

Alcohol as a drug? Well, i have to say i do enjoy the odd drink and i dont mean enough to get me plastered cos thats just plain stupid and a waste of money really.
I do suppose it is a drug in some ways because i think i drink more often now than i used to, and i think when im stressed 'i could do with a can' but thats only because i associate alcohol with relaxation i suppose. My Family have never preached Alcohol to me, its never been a DO NOT DRINK subject, they know its part of growing up.

ah well, heh.
Toodles xx

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Frankie81 on March 01, 2005, 05:19:54 pm

[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg832015 date=1109697177]
i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?
[/quote]
Wow, quite a harsh thing to say. Who do you mean by sickos? Absolutely everybody who has smoked weed before? Everybody would sell it to a 4-year-old? So everybody who consumes alcohol or smokes cigarettes would urge any toddler to do it as well?
I'm sure nobody in this thread who wants cannabis to be legal would like to see children consuming it just like nobody would want a 4-year-old watch a horror movie.
And another thing, most people I know who smoke weed are quite intelligent people (many of them successful artists), who are surely not addicted to it, they just enjoy it like the occasional drink.
If you wanted all people that smoke weed removed from society I bet half of Hollywood would disappear.

[quote author=Kari_Grace link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832030 date=1109698155]
I say why not let all of it be legal, as long as they're doing it in their own homes and not hurting anybody?[/quote]
Exactly my thoughts.

[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832035 date=1109698378]
thats like saying child molestation is ok as long as people do it in there own home and the kid is brainwashed into believing it as ok too.... your whole view is seriously jaded[/quote]
Kari said as long as it's not hurting anybody it would be okay. Now, if you can explain how child molestation isn't hurting anybody your argument would make sense.

And I agree with Pammy. People will do it anyway, whether it's legal or not.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 01, 2005, 05:22:36 pm

I think it should be legalised. I don't think it's that bad.

I have tried Pot and doubtless i'll do it again. but it's on my consciene.

I know a boy that is literally a pot head. I think he is stoned...all the time. But he is dating my best friend and is the nicest boy. I've known him for a very long time and he is not a nasty person.

Also I don't actually think that pot has ever killed anyone. By just smoking pot I hardly think you can overdose. I may be wrong.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on March 01, 2005, 06:05:14 pm

[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=30#msg832045 date=1109698702]
where are you getting underground workplace? i meant that they are put down, euthanized, get the picture? lol...
[/quote]

You're right. Pot is extremely dangerous and anyone who does it just must be a waste of human life. I think that anything dangerous should be eliminated and anyone who participates in said dangerous activity should also be exterminated. But wait, 'danger' is a subjective concept. Poi Pot, the ex-dictator of Cambodia believes that intellectuals were dangerous. He murdered countless teachers, scholars, anyone with any degree of formal education. I suppose that isn't too bad. You'll be safe at least.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 01, 2005, 07:39:50 pm

[quote author=Frankie81 link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=45#msg832296 date=1109715594]
If you wanted all people that smoke weed removed from society I bet half of Hollywood would disappear.
[/quote]

And half of the people at our school. On the subject of celebs, though, i saw pictures of aaron carter smoking pot in some magazine. ... anyway, though, i don't really know. I mean, i see the pros of it being legalized, but i also see the cons. and i'm not really sure which one wins. :-\

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: uNblessed Citrus on March 01, 2005, 10:02:03 pm

[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg832015 date=1109697177]
i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?
[/quote]

So we should kill them? That's...harsh.

I have to agree with Kari, as long as they are doing it in their homes, who cares?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 02, 2005, 08:18:53 am

Oh, wow, you guys! I'm touched. LOL. I've never been agreed with by this many people before. Hehe. ;)

Quote:
Personally i think it should be legallised. I mean come one, if people want to smoke it they will wether its legal or not, im 15 and i know 6 Drug dealers only a few years older than me, and guess what? They're not complete Toss heads and stoners, they're all working or at college and im being honest when i say they're all doing really well for themselves.

Wow . . . where I live, there is a drug dealer or a boot legger every other house up every holler. LOL. That sounded really hickish, but it's the truth.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 02, 2005, 09:48:28 am

yeah, it is. and they don't try to hide it either. You see them pulling in and out at all hours of the night... and you see people out in the middle of the hollers handing out drugs... they just wave and smile. lol ::) trying to be all secretive. ... it's kind of obvious when you see one guy hand him money, and the money recipient handing the payer a ziplock baggy full of white stuff. ...

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 02, 2005, 12:24:03 pm

True, true. LOL. I don't even think the policemen really care, though, so why would they act any differently?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Llywela on March 02, 2005, 02:31:39 pm

I really don't know why Pot is illegal.
If it was legal, it would be easier for the government to control, therefore safer.
Shops would be able to sell it openly, creating a competitive market bringing the price of pot down (possibly bringing crime levels down with it)
It might actually make the numbers of people who smoke pot less ( i know of people who smoke it just because they "shouldn't)
I also believe it should be the individuals choice, not the governments.
Plus the government would get a huge amount in VAT

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Raiwen on March 03, 2005, 11:45:39 am

[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg832015 date=1109697177]
i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?
[/quote]

A good friend of mine had a drug problem, a bad one. She got help, she turned her life around and now she's going to study human rights law because she wants to help others. She never sold drugs to anyone, never gave drugs to kids. Now you would rather have murdered her because you didn't agree with what she was doing? That's very tolerant and caring. You have to give people a chance.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on March 03, 2005, 02:53:58 pm


Quote:
You're right. Pot is extremely dangerous and anyone who does it just must be a waste of human life. I think that anything dangerous should be eliminated and anyone who participates in said dangerous activity should also be exterminated. But wait, 'danger' is a subjective concept. Poi Pot, the ex-dictator of Cambodia believes that intellectuals were dangerous. He murdered countless teachers, scholars, anyone with any degree of formal education. I suppose that isn't too bad. You'll be safe at least.


Hehe, Ghey, that was a priceless response. 8)
Really, I thought: I'm not going to reply to that, it's just too absurd... But that's what I should've said.



Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 03, 2005, 04:53:17 pm


[quote author=mmmcookies link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=15#msg832015 date=1109697177]
i agree that pot should not be legalized but i also have an extremist view too... i think that all the nuts out there that are stupid enough to smoke and get caught should just be "removed" from society and i dont mean by jailtime. I mean by permanently removing these sick bastards they're just leaches on society and bring everybody down. if cops just eliminated them on spot, the world would be a much better place.... these sickos sell drugs to little 4 and 5 year olds.... what are we supposed to do? let the future generation grow up on weed?
[/quote]

So what you're saying is "Shoot the Bastards"? Right?

That's some what harsh, is it not. I know plently of people that smoke pot. It does not however mean that they are 'leeches on society'.

Two out of three of my brothers were (if not still are) smoking pot a lot. But they still managed to hold down a job. It doesn't mean that they were bad people. They wouldn't give it to young children.

Only because someone is a dealer or just smokes pot does not mean that they don't have morals on what is right not wrong.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: PHF1138 on March 03, 2005, 10:24:18 pm

I think pot is in the same ballpark as alcohol. It's bad for you, can be tolerable is reasonable doses, and can get you in a lot of trouble if you too much of, at the wrong time, in the wrong place. Whether or not it's legalized won't have much of an effect on any of those things. I think I agree with whoever said it should have a fine - it's silly to pot smokers behind bars, for however short a time, when what they're doing is comparably harmless. It messes up your own head, but not that much honestly, and drinking is much worse. That said, I hate all forms of smoking, all the time, legal or illegal. If the US government's okay with regular cigarettes - again, same ballpark, probably the worst of the bunch - they should let marajuana go in the same category.

EDIT: Yes, I realize how hypocritical that sounds, given my avatar - it's true, I swear. (I just think it's a hot picture.)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 04, 2005, 04:23:37 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=45#msg833500 date=1109906658]
I think pot is in the same ballpark as alcohol. It's bad for you, can be tolerable is reasonable doses, and can get you in a lot of trouble if you too much of, at the wrong time, in the wrong place. Whether or not it's legalized won't have much of an effect on any of those things. I think I agree with whoever said it should have a fine - it's silly to pot smokers behind bars, for however short a time, when what they're doing is comparably harmless. It messes up your own head, but not that much honestly, and drinking is much worse. That said, I hate all forms of smoking, all the time, legal or illegal. If the US government's okay with regular cigarettes - again, same ballpark, probably the worst of the bunch - they should let marajuana go in the same category.

EDIT: Yes, I realize how hypocritical that sounds, given my avatar - it's true, I swear. (I just think it's a hot picture.)
[/quote]
That's not really that hypocritical . . . and I totally agree with it.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on March 04, 2005, 07:23:28 pm

I think pot should be decriminalized but not legalized. I just think it's way harsh to throw someone in jail for smoking/carrying pot. If you think about it, it's just a plant that kills a couple brain cells and affects your lungs a bit. I don't think it's that big a deal. Cigarettes are so much worse. I've had this discussion so many times. But there you go, that's my oppinion. :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 07, 2005, 10:08:02 pm

I think i almost hate cigs more than i do joints. :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Etaeb OLC on March 08, 2005, 05:43:58 am

I see it like this,
Anybody here who suffers from MS or who knows someone who has MS?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/21/uk.cannabis/
LONDON, England (CNN) -- A cannabis-based medicine for multiple sclerosis sufferers could be available on prescription in Britain by the summer, according to its manufacturer.

I believe its good to have this drug availabe.



Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 09, 2005, 09:04:31 pm

Well . . . I think if it is used solely as perscription, that's okay, too. However, like I've already said, I don't agree with people smoking pot, but I don't really see why it shouldn't be legal. Other stuff is legal that is just as harmful, really.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: frodomyhero on March 12, 2005, 08:54:42 pm

Alcohol has been determined to be the most widely abused drug in our society...it is a drug.
Cannibus should be legalized for medicinal purposes.. especially for people with cancer and other types of diseases where it can help with the ease of pain and help with eating ... Studies have shown terminally ill patients who suffer from chemotherapy can have substantial degree of relief from pain. I for one have seen this personally and was so happy to see my friend's grandmother find relief from cannibus in the end of her life...

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: myFrodo on March 12, 2005, 11:52:32 pm

I think Marijuana should be legalized only for medical purpose.

Cigarrettes should be banned. So, people are allowed at least to breath fresh air. Astma sufferers like me will be grateful.(Actually my asthma has stopped)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 13, 2005, 08:06:10 pm

[quote author=MyFrodo link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=60#msg838387 date=1110689552]
Cigarrettes should be banned. So, people are allowed at least to breath fresh air. Astma sufferers like me will be grateful.(Actually my asthma has stopped)
[/quote]
Aww . . . cigarette smoking is awful. My great-grandfather and my papaw both died from lung cancer, and my granny and all my aunts and uncles still smoke! I think that's absolutely terrible. Don't cannibas cause the same diseases that cigarettes do? I mean, I don't really know, but I always assumed they could.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 13, 2005, 08:20:22 pm

i don't think so. Pot doesn't have nicotinein it, does it? it has... hash.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 13, 2005, 08:22:25 pm

Yeah, but I don't think nicotine is the element that causes all those diseases, is it?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on March 13, 2005, 09:08:45 pm

Pot still has tar, but people generally don't smoke as many joints as cigarettes, so the tar builds up slower. However, pot can have mental affects. If you have family history of mental disorders, you'll want to stay away from pot.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on March 15, 2005, 10:24:52 pm

Yeah, my friend said she has a history of depression in her family and if she tries any strong hallucinogeons (like E, or acid) she can fall into a deep depression and never get out. So she makes up for her urge to try heavy drugs by smoking a lot of pot and a pack of cigs a day :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 18, 2005, 11:11:59 am


Quote:
Yeah, my friend said she has a history of depression in her family and if she tries any strong hallucinogeons (like E, or acid) she can fall into a deep depression and never get out. So she makes up for her urge to try heavy drugs by smoking a lot of pot and a pack of cigs a day.

Wow, that's very unhealthy. Maybe she should just stay away from drugs altogether! LOL. No, really, cigarettes are probably even worse than pot.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on March 18, 2005, 04:11:29 pm

Well if depends what you consider 'worse,' Kari. If the person is about to drive a car/do something that you need to pay attention during, smoking pot is worse than a cig.

I always wonder about pot brownies though. You don't get the smoke that way...

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 18, 2005, 04:20:41 pm


Quote:
I always wonder about pot brownies though. You don't get the smoke that way...

Hmm . . . I wonder about that. You'd think they'd probably be healthier. Anybody know?

Quote:
Well if depends what you consider 'worse,' Kari. If the person is about to drive a car/do something that you need to pay attention during, smoking pot is worse than a cig.

Well, actually, I meant worse health-wise.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on March 19, 2005, 12:23:24 am

[quote author=Kari_Grace link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=60#msg841071 date=1111162319]

Quote:
Yeah, my friend said she has a history of depression in her family and if she tries any strong hallucinogeons (like E, or acid) she can fall into a deep depression and never get out. So she makes up for her urge to try heavy drugs by smoking a lot of pot and a pack of cigs a day.

Wow, that's very unhealthy. Maybe she should just stay away from drugs altogether! LOL. No, really, cigarettes are probably even worse than pot.
[/quote]
Yeah, well I think if you're depressed you wouldn't care less about your health :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 21, 2005, 02:23:28 pm

It is true that cannabis causes mental effects later on in life.

But the way I see it. Solvents are legalised aren't they and they are much more dangerous than pot.

But then again if you do solvents then bascially you're a twat. I've seen someone do solvents...it's not pretty. :( Not at all.

I think if a person wants to smoke pot then it should be up to them...let it be on consciene.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 22, 2005, 05:05:51 pm

[quote author=xLaurax link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=60#msg842750 date=1111433008]
It is true that cannabis causes mental effects later on in life.

[/quote]

what kind of mental effects?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 26, 2005, 12:04:22 pm

Psychotic effects apparently.

Mood swings and things like that I'm guessing. Although it could be a lot worse.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 26, 2005, 12:29:11 pm

i've been talking to some of my friends who get high occasionally, and they say it's not really that great of a thing. They all agreed that they'd rather be drunk than high.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 26, 2005, 12:42:50 pm

I would rather be drunk and high. lol

It very much different from being drunk. Well the way I get it is.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 27, 2005, 05:11:18 pm

do you hallucinate and stuff? i hear more funny stories of my friends being drunk than them high... like this one guy went into the bathroom to pee, and he never came back out... they went in looking for him and he was talking to the shower wall. ... LOL... i wonder what is going through their minds...? laura, you apparently know... lol... would you tell us (well, loooks like just me) what it's like to be high, drunk, high/drunk?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 27, 2005, 05:18:29 pm

*Shifty eyes* I wouldn't know.

lol ;)

Well. When you're drunk your more reckless to do things you wouldn't. I've had many bad expierences due to alcohol. But whereas getting high it more relaxing, as if you're getting away from everything.

Of course everyone has different expiernces while drinking and getting high.

Sometimes I think you can hallouncanate whilst taking pot. But it;s never really happened to me. Apart from seeing that weird old guy at the bottom of the gardens. That was scary.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 27, 2005, 05:21:13 pm

hmm, interesting. Thanks, Laura! ;D

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 27, 2005, 05:23:09 pm

That is quite OK Jess. :)

People may disagree with what I have said. But they are just from my experiences

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: doxiegrl1 on March 27, 2005, 05:53:04 pm

If you're just smoking pot, you don't hallucinate. Hallucinations only occur if the pot is laced with some other chemical (which is dangerous). It's hard to tell if your pot is laced or not, especially if you don't know what to look for.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 27, 2005, 05:57:34 pm

Also if you don't know your dealer.

I think if you smoke quite a bit of it then you probably could have hallucinations. But then again everyone is different.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 27, 2005, 08:28:06 pm

[quote author=Ghey link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=75#msg846777 date=1111963984]
If you're just smoking pot, you don't hallucinate. Hallucinations only occur if the pot is laced with some other chemical (which is dangerous). It's hard to tell if your pot is laced or not, especially if you don't know what to look for.
[/quote]

that's what i thought. A couple of my friends have said that they've hallucinated a lil before... and i've come to think that is because they don't know what they are smoking. Maybe it should become legal just so you don't get laced pot. ???

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on March 30, 2005, 06:19:30 pm

My friend told me today that he had been clean for over a month, and he was really happy because he's started having dreams again... He said he'd smoked pot since he was 10... and he hadn't had a dream since he'd started smoking pot... and now he's dreaming again--or, at least remembering them again... lol, he was totally thrilled :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on March 31, 2005, 08:46:02 am

Since he was 10!!!!

Wow. My friend who smokes it all the time, I think he started when he was about 12/13? Not too sure. Haven't asked him.

But you can tell their is a change in him. But it's not just the pot. He takes loads of other things too.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Kari_Grace on March 31, 2005, 06:39:19 pm


Quote:
My friend told me today that he had been clean for over a month, and he was really happy because he's started having dreams again... He said he'd smoked pot since he was 10... and he hadn't had a dream since he'd started smoking pot... and now he's dreaming again--or, at least remembering them again... lol, he was totally thrilled

Aww . . . how cute! _ _ _ _ _ is dreaming again. Hehe. Well, I really do think pot is a bad habit, but it really isn't hurting anybody if it's legal in the home. I mean, we live in a dry county, but people are still allowed to drink in their own homes. Why can't they smoke pot, too, as long as it isn't in public or somewhere where they could get hurt?

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on March 31, 2005, 09:32:23 pm

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=75#msg846838 date=1111973286]
[quote author=Ghey link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=75#msg846777 date=1111963984]
If you're just smoking pot, you don't hallucinate. Hallucinations only occur if the pot is laced with some other chemical (which is dangerous). It's hard to tell if your pot is laced or not, especially if you don't know what to look for.
[/quote]
that's what i thought. A couple of my friends have said that they've hallucinated a lil before... and i've come to think that is because they don't know what they are smoking. Maybe it should become legal just so you don't get laced pot. ???
[/quote]
Well, no. People would still lace it. Just not if you were to buy it in stores. I think if pot was sold in stores, people would buy it, bring it home put some chemicals in it and sell it on the street. That's probably what would happen... a lot of people want laced pot.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on April 02, 2005, 02:46:40 pm

[quote author=Kari_Grace link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=75#msg849856 date=1112312359]

Quote:
My friend told me today that he had been clean for over a month, and he was really happy because he's started having dreams again... He said he'd smoked pot since he was 10... and he hadn't had a dream since he'd started smoking pot... and now he's dreaming again--or, at least remembering them again... lol, he was totally thrilled

Aww . . . how cute! _ _ _ _ _ is dreaming again. Hehe.[/quote]
lol, yeah, and he's dreaming some "freaky sh*t" too. :P
[quote]
Well, I really do think pot is a bad habit, but it really isn't hurting anybody if it's legal in the home. I mean, we live in a dry county, but people are still allowed to drink in their own homes. Why can't they smoke pot, too, as long as it isn't in public or somewhere where they could get hurt?
[/quote]

Really, i think alcohol is a lot like pot as far as it impares your mental and physical abilities. ... if alcohol is legal, why not legalize pot. ... although,

Quote:
Well, no. People would still lace it. Just not if you were to buy it in stores. I think if pot was sold in stores, people would buy it, bring it home put some chemicals in it and sell it on the street. That's probably what would happen... a lot of people want laced pot.

That is very true. If they legalized it, and people did start to lace and re sell it, we might have trouble--more than we do right now.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: The Used on April 02, 2005, 02:55:58 pm

[color=Green]It depends what kind of person is smoking pot, though.
If they have an addictive personality, it can get bad.
Drive them into debt, get them on the street, etc.

Pot doesn't help anyone, unless they have some serious illness or something, and they are in alot of pain, I could see why they would want to smoke it.

I've seen tons of kids (smart ones) who begin to smoke pot, everything goes downhill. Marks, relationships with friends & family, and respect for themselves, and others.

Drugs and drinking are serious things if people take them too far, and there's already enough problems with drinking (debt, suicide, drunk driving) to add another thing to the list.

Some kids are good with it though...they try it a couple times for the experiance, and that's it. That's not too bad.

A bunch of me and my friends were talking about what's better, being drunk, or high. (I've never experianced either, I don't drink, or do drugs) and they said that being drunk was better, cause it lasts longer, and a bunch of other crap. [/color]

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on April 02, 2005, 03:02:50 pm

[quote author=The Used link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg851486 date=1112471758]
[color=Green]It depends what kind of person is smoking pot, though.
If they have an addictive personality, it can get bad.
Drive them into debt, get them on the street, etc.

Pot doesn't help anyone, unless they have some serious illness or something, and they are in alot of pain, I could see why they would want to smoke it.

I've seen tons of kids (smart ones) who begin to smoke pot, everything goes downhill. Marks, relationships with friends & family, and respect for themselves, and others.

Drugs and drinking are serious things if people take them too far, and there's already enough problems with drinking (debt, suicide, drunk driving) to add another thing to the list.

Some kids are good with it though...they try it a couple times for the experiance, and that's it. That's not too bad. [/color]
[/quote]

That's also true, Fiona. ... lol, i just can't decide on the situation. I don't think it would help anyone (unless used for medical purposes) if it was legalized... And i think the only reason i want it legalized is because some of my friends do it and 1)i don't want them to do something illegal, and 2) I don't want them to get pot laced with something they'll have a bad reaction to. But i also think if it was legalized... it wouldn't help most of the problems that surround drugs anyway, and possibly get more kids hooked on harder drugs... shew, i just don't know. :-\

[quote]
A bunch of me and my friends were talking about what's better, being drunk, or high. (I've never experianced either, I don't drink, or do drugs) and they said that being drunk was better, cause it lasts longer, and a bunch of other crap.
[/quote]

That's what my friends said too! ... i don't really understand why they want to get high if being drunk is better... but, oh well... They're decision I guess.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: The Used on April 02, 2005, 03:14:01 pm

[color=Green]It's hard decision for some people.

But I don't think it will help anyone, unless they are constantly in severe pain.

I don't understand it either, :-\

Ohh well. :)[/color]

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on April 02, 2005, 08:58:51 pm

I don't agree with legalising cannibas, however I do believe it should be used for medical purposes. It can be used for chronic pain relief. It eases symptoms of multiple sclerosis and the like.

I think that there would be more of a problem if it were legalised, as pot can lead to short-term drug-induced psychosis and longer-term mental illness. Cannabis use has been linked with depression, anxiety and schizophrenia.

I've smoked pot and I've been drunk and I have to say, alcohol is definately the way to go. Much fun. ;D ::)

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: xLaurax on April 04, 2005, 07:18:19 pm

Does it really help headaches? Never knew that.

I've actually changed my mind on the whole thing. I don't think it should be legalised. I mean it should...but to an extent. It has really bad effects like mental effects, causing depression etc.

Still doesn't mean I won't do it though. ;) lol

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: The Used on April 04, 2005, 07:49:11 pm

[color=Green]I don't know, I hate drugs all around.

It can really change a person into something that they're not, and can ruin their entire lives if they take it too far.

I think it's too risky to say yes to legalizing it.

Wouldn't it cost governments more from hospital bills anyway?

And what if someone just smoked alot of pot, and then they go for a drive. That's just as bad as drunk driving. I know I don't want to be killed by some stupid kid who decided to smoke pot, then drive while high.

Just my thoughts on it. [/color]

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miss ANna on April 05, 2005, 03:41:25 am

No! I think making it more accessable to people is a terrible idea... for a small percentage of people it can trigger mental illnesses which i'm sure many of you know and having a close relative who has gone through that i feel pretty strongly! Getting high a few times and having fun is not worth risking a life of paranoid thoughts and being dependent on your family.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: myFrodo on April 05, 2005, 04:50:52 pm

[color=Orange]I agree with legalizing marijuana for medical purposes only.

And I consider alcohol and cigarretes a drug. They have NOT benefits in your health, they only create dependency(addiction) Alcohol is the major source can lead to Alcoholism, a serious disease which can make you and your family a living hell. Also, it can lead to cancer(liver) like cigarrettes does.[/color]

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: ElijahFan101 on April 06, 2005, 01:33:29 am

[quote author=The Used link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg853485 date=1112658551]
[color=Green]

It can really change a person into something that they're not, and can ruin their entire lives if they take it too far.

[/color]
[/quote]

not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

However, if pot was legalized, or decriminalized, the government would be the one's growing it and producing it. Odds are they would not add any of the chemicals/substances that most pot growers add. The pot would be of lower quality, and very un-effective. It would end up only being used for medical purpose's anyways(like it allready is in some places).

So in many people's opinions(mine included) it should not necisarily be legalized for the use of impairment, but for the use of medicine, or in use for medical treatmeants.

When it comes to smoking it for impairment, or for fun; pot should just be de-criminalized, in other words, you are allowed to hold a certain amount, and if you have over that amount, only then can you get punished for holding it. I think thats what it means, thats it in short terms.

here's an extra bit : it's good for headaches...and people who have insomnia. It is also good for people with eating disorders, because it gives them the "munchies"

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: hello-kitty on April 06, 2005, 04:24:16 am

no. no no no no. i dont like it. ick. i hope it doesnt become legalised. :P :P

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Tsuno on April 06, 2005, 05:16:17 am

I think it should be legalized, it doesn't do more harm than alcohol. Most of my friends use it every day and they aren't weird or junks or something. They're just normal people. I also smoke it like once or twice a year, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
And I really think that doctors should be able to prescribe it. My dad used it when he had some sort of illness that caused him a lot of pain, and it really helped him.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on April 06, 2005, 09:05:20 pm


Quote:
not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

agree, although, what is shrooms?? i've never heard of that. Acid is a powerful wicked drug, though. NEVER, EVER take acid! EVER. Bad trips can be permanent, and even if you quit, you can still have an episode yrs later because it fries your brain.

lol, i just had a thought... do you know how many people would go totally broke in my county if pot was legalized? I know so many ppl that grow and sell it for a living... lol, they'd have to get a real job! a legal job! i don't think they could do it. :P lol.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on April 06, 2005, 11:08:26 pm

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854812 date=1112835920]

Quote:
not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

agree, although, what is shrooms?? i've never heard of that.
[/quote] Hallucinogeon mushrooms. I've done them a few times, they're fun. Tony Danza talked to me once while on them. :P


[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854812 date=1112835920]
Acid is a powerful wicked drug, though. NEVER, EVER take acid! EVER. Bad trips can be permanent, and even if you quit, you can still have an episode yrs later because it fries your brain.
[/quote]
That soooo rarely happens (a professional told me that). I have MANY friends who have done acid MANY times. They're fine.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: I_LOVE_MY_BOYZ on April 07, 2005, 07:45:25 pm

[quote author=Snail link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854887 date=1112843306]
[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854812 date=1112835920]

Quote:
not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

agree, although, what is shrooms?? i've never heard of that.
[/quote] Hallucinogeon mushrooms. I've done them a few times, they're fun. Tony Danza talked to me once while on them. :P
[/quote]
I thought that's what it was... but i wasn't entirely sure.

[quote]
[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854812 date=1112835920]
Acid is a powerful wicked drug, though. NEVER, EVER take acid! EVER. Bad trips can be permanent, and even if you quit, you can still have an episode yrs later because it fries your brain.
[/quote]
That soooo rarely happens (a professional told me that). I have MANY friends who have done acid MANY times. They're fine.
[/quote]
Quote:


hmm... well, i know it certainly is possible. I've read several books where that happened. ... and i've seen my share of health articles. I've never taken it personally... don't plan to... and i don't know if i know ppl that have... but, for me, it's too big of a risk.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: The Used on April 08, 2005, 03:59:34 pm

[quote author=x.J'adore.Green.Day.x link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854372 date=1112765609]
[quote author=The Used link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg853485 date=1112658551]
[color=Green]

It can really change a person into something that they're not, and can ruin their entire lives if they take it too far.

[/color]
[/quote]

not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

However, if pot was legalized, or decriminalized, the government would be the one's growing it and producing it. Odds are they would not add any of the chemicals/substances that most pot growers add. The pot would be of lower quality, and very un-effective. It would end up only being used for medical purpose's anyways(like it allready is in some places).

So in many people's opinions(mine included) it should not necisarily be legalized for the use of impairment, but for the use of medicine, or in use for medical treatmeants.

When it comes to smoking it for impairment, or for fun; pot should just be de-criminalized, in other words, you are allowed to hold a certain amount, and if you have over that amount, only then can you get punished for holding it. I think thats what it means, thats it in short terms.

here's an extra bit : it's good for headaches...and people who have insomnia. It is also good for people with eating disorders, because it gives them the "munchies"
[/quote]But it can lead to other drugs. Like, LSD, cocain, heroin, etc.

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Fire_Wolf_13 on April 14, 2005, 02:08:30 pm

i dont think Cannibis should be legalized
only with the consent and perscription of a pro. doctor who actually knows that the patient needs the drugs and that the patient isnt just making up the story just to get drugs to hurt their bodies

also we r making so many drugs in this world
for some things yes we do need drugs but not for the little things such as headaches and sore muscles < for those problems just lay down and drink water and your headache will go away
and for sore muscles get a friend or family member just to rub the area for a little while and your muscle will stop hurting

and for all the people out there that are depressed and are taking drugs, druga arent the answers to your problems: dont be scared to get a phsychiatrist (dont think i spelled that right) they are helpful and will help you get rid of your depression.

Alcohol shouldnt be labeled as a drug it is a drink
and drinking isnt the answer to a depressed or emotionally hurt person either



Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: ElijahFan101 on April 14, 2005, 02:12:22 pm

[quote author=The Used link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=105#msg855766 date=1112990374]
[quote author=x.J'adore.Green.Day.x link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854372 date=1112765609]
[quote author=The Used link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg853485 date=1112658551]
[color=Green]

It can really change a person into something that they're not, and can ruin their entire lives if they take it too far.

[/color]
[/quote]

not to sound like a know it all, but pot doesn't really do that...it's barely even a drug...what your talking about is more like drugs like shrooms, cocaine, LSD and heroin...those are bad drugs! Marijuana can be good and it can be bad; like as you said, it can be bad when you are driving. It can impair you somewhat, so driving should not be risked.

However, if pot was legalized, or decriminalized, the government would be the one's growing it and producing it. Odds are they would not add any of the chemicals/substances that most pot growers add. The pot would be of lower quality, and very un-effective. It would end up only being used for medical purpose's anyways(like it allready is in some places).

So in many people's opinions(mine included) it should not necisarily be legalized for the use of impairment, but for the use of medicine, or in use for medical treatmeants.

When it comes to smoking it for impairment, or for fun; pot should just be de-criminalized, in other words, you are allowed to hold a certain amount, and if you have over that amount, only then can you get punished for holding it. I think thats what it means, thats it in short terms.

here's an extra bit : it's good for headaches...and people who have insomnia. It is also good for people with eating disorders, because it gives them the "munchies"
[/quote]But it can lead to other drugs. Like, LSD, cocain, heroin, etc.
[/quote]

Yes that is true, however if taken in moderation pot can be good. Personally I've been smoking pot every once and a while since December 2003, and it is the only drug I have been interested in. Eventually, I will get bored of it and stop. It is not addicting so therefore it will complely my decision.

[quote author=Jess_B link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=90#msg854812 date=1112835920]
Acid is a powerful wicked drug, though. NEVER, EVER take acid! EVER. Bad trips can be permanent, and even if you quit, you can still have an episode yrs later because it fries your brain.
[/quote]
[quote]That soooo rarely happens (a professional told me that). I have MANY friends who have done acid MANY times. They're fine.
[/quote]

Well my friend smoked some weed that was laced with it, and she said shes never been more miserable in her entire life (and she has chronic depression) She said she was f*cked up in the mind for over a week...she wanted to kill herself, and at one point she even came out of her body and saw herself dieing... :-\ Pretty freaky stuff...it also triggered very serious panic attacks, and her phyciatrist is very worried about her. All this because of a few tokes of some bad weed...so if your going to smoke weed, always check to make sure it's just weed...

other drugs like ecstacy, usually have heroin and coccaine in them. plus it can kill you even if it's your first time and you only have one tab. I'm not going to risk that. Pot, even if you do alo of it, it will not kill you. However doing it alot is bad because the more you do the more brain cells you kill

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Miriel on April 14, 2005, 05:48:46 pm

Well, drugs tend to intensify (is that an english word?) your feelings. People with a depression will do best to stay away from weed. I suffer from chronical depression and I have been warned several times by doctors and by people who have experienced it, to stay away from it. (Not that I ever really wanted to do drugs) What your friend experienced seems to be the general effect it has on us serotonine-lacking kids. Not good....

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: Frankie81 on April 14, 2005, 06:04:57 pm


on 1113515326, Míriel wrote:
What your friend experienced seems to be the general effect it has on us serotonine-lacking kids.
Uhm ... what's serotonine? ???

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: ElijahFan101 on April 14, 2005, 06:39:54 pm

[quote author=Míriel link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=105#msg859185 date=1113515326]
What your friend experienced seems to be the general effect it has on us serotonine-lacking kids. Not good....
[/quote]

no, she didn't get that from the weed. She's been smoking it for several years...just the weed was what we call "laced" with LSD, which means someone had put LSD in the weed. She didn't know, but there must have been alot of it in the weed...the LSD caused everything, not the weed

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: my_preciousss on April 15, 2005, 07:45:58 pm

[quote author=Frankie81 link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=105#msg859193 date=1113516297]

on 1113515326, Míriel wrote:
What your friend experienced seems to be the general effect it has on us serotonine-lacking kids.
Uhm ... what's serotonine? ???
[/quote]
Serotonine is the chemical in your brain that makes you feel happy.


[quote author=x.J'adore.Green.Day.x link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=105#msg859193 date=1113516297]

Well my friend smoked some weed that was laced with it, and she said shes never been more miserable in her entire life (and she has chronic depression) She said she was f*cked up in the mind for over a week...she wanted to kill herself, and at one point she even came out of her body and saw herself dieing... Pretty freaky stuff...it also triggered very serious panic attacks.
[/quote] That's because she has chronic depression. It is sooo dangerous to do chemicals when you are clinically depressed. That's why when you do chemicals you have to be in a stable mood at that time.
I hope your friend is doing alright :-\

Title: Re:what do you think of legalizing cannabis?
Post by: ElijahFan101 on April 16, 2005, 06:22:35 pm

[quote author=Snail link=board=5;threadid=25935;start=105#msg859704 date=1113608758]
That's because she has chronic depression. It is sooo dangerous to do chemicals when you are clinically depressed. That's why when you do chemicals you have to be in a stable mood at that time.
I hope your friend is doing alright :-\
[/quote]

She's better now...well the acid highness wore off...however...she started gettin panic attacks and then she started cutting herself, and she's never cut herself until now. So actually, she is now living in a house for depressed teens...she had to go there last year and now she's back in...I hope it helps more this time... :-\


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