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Title: The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on January 13, 2004, 08:24:08 pm

Who has heard of this movie?
It couldn't be coming out at a better time with the craze over The DaVinci Code. (It's coming out Feb 25).

Small article:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/401/65.php

EDIT:

I understand this is a very passionate ( 8)) and sensitive issue for many members. Please use utmost respect for each other in this thread. Thank you. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on January 13, 2004, 09:09:16 pm

Ooh, I hadn't thought of it that way before! I've heard of it, but I don't really know that much about it yet. Who's in it?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on January 13, 2004, 10:35:22 pm

it's the DaVinci Code a movie too? or just the book. i just heard it's way too controversial. i saw the Passion's trailer a while ago in yahoo movies, it looks really strong and graphic.

but if the Pope himself approved it already i guess the controversy is only with the Jews. i rather not say much about that cuz im not really familiar with the whole issue. but i just saw the trailer of the movie and i liked it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: chinita_gr on January 13, 2004, 11:12:26 pm

I saw the trailer of this movie, and it looks very graphic, but good... I want to see it...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on January 14, 2004, 12:18:26 am

ok, i just read a summary of the Da Vinci Code in Amazon. It sounds really but really interesting. However, i couldn't find any relation with Christ, at least it didn't mention in the summary. why is it related? anyone knows?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Madelaine25 on January 14, 2004, 12:23:11 am

I think Jewish organizations are pretty split in terms of giving approval to this project. Mel Gibson has said time and again that he didn't intend to defame Jews in this film, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

But, as always, we have to reserve judgement until actually viewing the piece. The Dead Sea Scrolls were thought to contain all sorts of information about Jesus Christ that is contradicted in today's Bible. The Vatican has confiscated the text, and refuses to indulge anyone's curiosity or (IMO, their right to know) about the text. Anyway, it's thought Jesus had children, but we'll never know til the Vatican wants us to.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on January 14, 2004, 10:39:08 am

children? i heard brothers. eitherway, Mel has the right to make a movie based on his own religious beliefs.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on January 14, 2004, 11:52:20 am

Is "The Passion of the Christ" actually based on "The DaVinci Code?" Or do they just both have similar ideas?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Miriel on January 14, 2004, 12:36:19 pm

I don't know anything about links to the Da Vinci code, but I'd like to see this movie. I'm tired of people always being difficult when it comes to a religious subject...



(trans: Fokke and Sukke already got merchandise from 'The Passion')



(Please note: I just thought it was funny. I'm a christian myself, so this is in no way meant as christian-bashing or anything disrespectfull)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on January 14, 2004, 01:14:15 pm

there have been all kinds of controversial movies of Christ over the years which contradicts the Bible. this new one is based on the New Testament, not the DaVinci Code.

take a look of the trailers, the one that says CineMovies.fr is the long one and the one saying Official Site is the new one, shorter.


http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/NOPQR/Passion_The/trailer-page.html (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/NOPQR/Passion_The/trailer-page.html)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on January 15, 2004, 01:28:29 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing this. Mel and Jim Caviezel are pretty devout Christians anyway so I doubt they would put anything offensive in there. Maybe we're becoming to obsessed with political correctness nowadays, people are demanding the movie be stopped before they even see it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on January 15, 2004, 02:16:03 pm

[quote author=*~Rai~* link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=0#msg497325 date=1074191309]
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Mel and Jim Caviezel are pretty devout Christians anyway so I doubt they would put anything offensive in there. Maybe we're becoming to obsessed with political correctness nowadays, people are demanding the movie be stopped before they even see it.
[/quote]

I could not agree more. Political correctness is a friggin' waste of time!

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on January 15, 2004, 09:59:41 pm

To clear things up: (We're studying this in my Bible as Lit class!)

The DaVinci Code - Thriller discussing the idea that the Holy Grail is Mary Magdalene. It talks a lot about the Gnostics and the Dead Sea Scrolls. (Gospels that were removed from the New Testament when the Roman Catholic Church was setting up the basics with the Bible.)
The DaVinci Code is being made into a movie by Ron Howard, to be released in 2005. The book has not been approved by the Pope, it hasn't really been discussed pubically with him, so it doesn't draw attention to the book. (It's pretty radical).

The Passion of the Christ - Movie about Jesus' life and Cruicifiction. Coming out Ash Wednesday.

About Jesus' brothers - It's a well known fact (and in the Bible) that Jesus had siblings. Many of them in fact. The controversy of the DaVinci Code and the Dead Sea Scrolls is that Mary Magdalene was his wife and lover. And the most loved Disciple.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on January 16, 2004, 01:20:27 am

Did you guys watch Entertainment Tonight today? they showed a much longer trailer of the movie. it was a lot better than the ones you can see in the link i put. i just can't wait to see this movie.

About the Da Vinci Code and what it says about Christ is not new at all. I've heard the same thing somewhere else. I've even heard that Mary Magdalene appears in the portrait of the Last Supper. We have several of those but i see no Mary there. Still is a big rumour.

if there will be a movie about that book, that one will also be a must see movie.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on January 16, 2004, 06:26:57 pm

Like I said above, YES - the DaVinci Code is being made into a movie by Ron Howard, in theaters 2005. :P

Actually, there is a theory that it is Mary Magdalene in DaVinci's Last Supper. She's the one sitting on Jesus's left. (When looking at the painting). She's wearing the opposite of Jesus, and Peter's hand is across her neck.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Isilmewende on January 17, 2004, 01:01:50 am

I'm just waiting to see if the movie will live up to all the hype. But from what I've seen of it so far, it's very promising.

Title: The Passion of the Christ
Post by: supervixen on February 21, 2004, 09:39:29 pm

i really can't wait to see this movie. being a huge fan of gibson's directing abilities (Braveheart, woohoo!) it looks like it'll be great!

anyone share my interest?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: samwisedabrave on February 21, 2004, 09:55:08 pm

Yeah i wanna see this movie badly, i have no idea what its going to be like. Someone said it was completely in Hebrew and Latin - that would be wierd. It also has an R rating for violence.

They pound four inch thorns into Christ's head, beat him 39 times with a wip that removes all the skin from his torso, he hangs from a cross with his feet and hands nailed and a Roman soldier stabs him in the side with a lance to see if he is dead. Oh yeah, I think Mel Gibson said something about his arm being pulled out of the socket too. All shown in graphic detail of course.

But i wanna see it anyway.


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Hobbits1 on February 22, 2004, 11:08:22 am

I want to see this movie. My whole school (pretty much) is going to see it on Thursday. I think it looks really good. I'm stoked! I have been wanting to see this movie for a while.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on February 22, 2004, 11:10:58 am

I don't think it's out here until Good Friday, I'll have to check. Tell us if it's any good. ;D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 22, 2004, 04:59:37 pm

can't wait for it either but......i'll wait a little until the whole fuzz it's somehow over. what i mean is that i don't wanna go see it when the thater is gonna be extremely crowded and packed, cuz im sure it will in the first days, not to mention the first weekend. :-X

Im pretty sensitive at graphic violence, so i need my "concentration". :P


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 22, 2004, 05:21:22 pm

[quote]By MysteriousMrWood:
Actually, it is Mary Magdalene in DaVinci's Last Supper. She's the one sitting on Jesus's left. (When looking at the painting). She's wearing the opposite of Jesus, and Peter's hand is across her neck. [/quote]

who knows, but if that's Mary Magdalene, that leaves only 11 apostles. where is the 12th one? cuz Judas is there, he's supposed to be the one right next to the claimed M. Magdalene because the knife is supposedly pointed at him. I read something like that a while ago, the so called "hand and knife" that you see there.

anyway, here's a pic of the famous painting:

http://artchive.floridaimaging.com/l/leonardo/lastsupp.jpg

Edited for stretching out the page.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 22, 2004, 05:31:37 pm

Sorry, I should have put that it's a theory that it's Mary Magdalene. There's no proof one way or the other.

Anyways, the movie comes out this Wednesday, Ash Wednesday. I have tickets for Saturday. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: eowyn89 on February 22, 2004, 05:48:31 pm

yeah, there was a big controversy over whether the person next to jesus in 'the last supper' was mary magdalene or the disciple john. i wanna see this movie, but im sort of the most religiuos person in my family, and my mom thinks its too graphic. tear:( the entire movie is spoken in the language that jesus spoke... it starts with an "a' ... heehe i can't remember what its called. when i saw one of the trailers where they are nailing him onto the cross, i cried. :(

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 22, 2004, 07:04:37 pm

Isn't the movie in English? ???

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 22, 2004, 07:06:19 pm

the language is called aramic right? something like that.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 22, 2004, 08:52:58 pm

Oh yeah... there will be subtitles, I forgot. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: HerMajesty on February 22, 2004, 08:56:10 pm

Aramaic, Hebrew, and Latin (the local Latin - the vernacular). :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: VICKY on February 22, 2004, 10:42:07 pm

I am planning to go and see it.
My pastor says it's very important for me to watch because it's a truer description of the days of Christ than any film has to offer. He says it's more true to the cruelty and visciousness of the way Jesus was treated. He says it will make me appreciate, even more than I do now, the love and sacrifices Jesus made for us. It will be a very emotional experience for me to see. I am very strong in my christian faith. :)
Mary of Magdeline is a disciple of Christ but not one of the apostles. She was not included in the Last Supper. She's very important in the ministry of Christ because she was a prostitute and Jesus used her to show others that He loved all of us. And that by believing in Christ we can all be used in the purpose of God.
Whatever this Divinci fellow has to offer, I will not be a witness to because if it's what you all are saying it is, it's not what is written in the Holy Bible. Jesus did have half-brothers but no children because He knew no woman in that way.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: samwisedabrave on February 22, 2004, 10:51:32 pm

Um.. my pastor says that there is no reference to Mary Magdeline being a prostitute in the bible. I think it is just a myth; like Jesus having children. *rolls eyes*

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on February 23, 2004, 06:27:19 am

I've always thought that Jesus had children and a wife. It doesn't say it in the Bible but he was 33 before he started his mission and I always thought he would have married in that time. Just my belief. ;D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: WackoJacko20000 on February 23, 2004, 10:46:02 am

Oooh, Jackie's having a long say on Mel Gibson and 'The Passion of the Christ' now... it's out March 25th and follows the last twelve hours of Jesus' life. Very very controversial film, but looks incredible.

Y'know what? I think Mel Gibson has done a great thing with 'The Passion of Christ'. Despite what people are saying about him and the film, it's not anti-Semitic.

It's actually a very accurate interpretation of the last few hours of Jesus' life, apart from a few things, ie. Jesus was actually nailed to the cross through the wrists and his legs were crossed and bent to prevent support - crucificied victims actually suffocated more than anything; Barrabus didn't actually exist - barra bus means 'Son of the Father': it's ironic.

But back to anti-Semitism. The hand that nails Jesus to the cross was actually Mel Gibson's own hand - symbolic of the fact that it wasn't the Jews or the Romans who killed Jesus, but everybody. It was you, it was me, it was the people in general. The cast have received death-threats since the making of the film, and Jim Caviezel sent out a prayer request to pray about how the film would be received and for the safety of the cast. It was sent from LA and reached my church in London.

I found this on the net, from The Straits Times (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg):
A devout Roman Catholic, Caviezel said he would not have been involved in the film if he had seen a hint of anti-Semitism.

'Anytime something would happen that could appear anti-Semitic, Mel's like, 'Take it out,' Caviezel said. 'It was never about playing a blame game.'


And from Killer Movies.com (http://www.killermovies.com) Mel Gibson himself has said:
"Neither I nor my film are anti-Semitic ... Nor do I hate anybody -- certainly not the Jews. They are my friends and associates ... Anti-Semitism is not only contrary to my personal beliefs, it is also contrary to the core message of my movie. ... The film is meant to inspire, not offend. ... For those concerned about the content of this film, know that it conforms to the narratives of Christ's passion and death found in the four Gospels of the New Testament."

Right. Done with my Christian pro-Passion spiel now ;)

~*Jackie*~

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on February 23, 2004, 01:40:16 pm

[quote author=~*Jackie*~ link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531094 date=1077551162]
Oooh, Jackie's having a long say on Mel Gibson and 'The Passion of the Christ' now... it's out March 25th and follows the last twelve hours of Jesus' life. Very very controversial film, but looks incredible.

Y'know what? I think Mel Gibson has done a great thing with 'The Passion of Christ'. Despite what people are saying about him and the film, it's not anti-Semitic.

It's actually a very accurate interpretation of the last few hours of Jesus' life, apart from a few things, ie. Jesus was actually nailed to the cross through the wrists and his legs were crossed and bent to prevent support - crucificied victims actually suffocated more than anything; Barrabus didn't actually exist - barra bus means 'Son of the Father': it's ironic.

But back to anti-Semitism. The hand that nails Jesus to the cross was actually Mel Gibson's own hand - symbolic of the fact that it wasn't the Jews or the Romans who killed Jesus, but everybody. It was you, it was me, it was the people in general. The cast have received death-threats since the making of the film, and Jim Caviezel sent out a prayer request to pray about how the film would be received and for the safety of the cast. It was sent from LA and reached my church in London.

I found this on the net, from The Straits Times (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg):
A devout Roman Catholic, Caviezel said he would not have been involved in the film if he had seen a hint of anti-Semitism.

'Anytime something would happen that could appear anti-Semitic, Mel's like, 'Take it out,' Caviezel said. 'It was never about playing a blame game.'


And from Killer Movies.com (http://www.killermovies.com) Mel Gibson himself has said:
"Neither I nor my film are anti-Semitic ... Nor do I hate anybody -- certainly not the Jews. They are my friends and associates ... Anti-Semitism is not only contrary to my personal beliefs, it is also contrary to the core message of my movie. ... The film is meant to inspire, not offend. ... For those concerned about the content of this film, know that it conforms to the narratives of Christ's passion and death found in the four Gospels of the New Testament."

Right. Done with my Christian pro-Passion spiel now ;)

~*Jackie*~
[/quote]

Holy... wow, wish I could be that in depth. That's interesting about Gibson's hand doing the nailing. I can't believe the cast are getting death threats. that's completely wrong and sick.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: samwisedabrave on February 23, 2004, 01:41:11 pm

I have a question for any Catholics here- I know that Mel Gibson is a strong Catholic, so im sure that this movie is going to be showing Jesus from a Catholic point of view; but what is the catholic point of view on Jesus? I think im right in saying that they worship his mother - Mary, but do they shove Jesus in the background at all?

I really do not know very much about Catholicism, and don't really want to see a movie about Jesus if it has a completely different point of view than my own faith.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on February 23, 2004, 01:46:03 pm

I'm catholic. We do worship Mary almost on a level with Christ and the trinity but it is Christ himself who is central to the faith. He is not shoved into the background. Even on days like the Assumption which is about Mary Jesus plays a strong part. She is worshipped because of her great faith and role as the mother of Christ, she is not worshipped instead of him.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: WackoJacko20000 on February 23, 2004, 02:16:05 pm

[quote author=Rai link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531294 date=1077561616]Holy... wow, wish I could be that in depth. That's interesting about Gibson's hand doing the nailing. I can't believe the cast are getting death threats. that's completely wrong and sick.
[/quote]

Heh, I tend to go on a bit with my pro-Christian views regarding this film. It really isn't one to be taken lightly and everybody should see it - it's going to be amazing.

And yeah, it's awful, isn't it? Such a shame that people can't seem to see it for the encouraging movie that it is, and instead have to bring it down. I tried to explain to my Jewish friend today that it's not anti-Semitic and she just glared at me and walked away. It's too difficult to try to explain to your peers about matters like this :-\

And as for the Catholic views - I'm protestant, but isn't Mary more important to the Catholic faith? It just seems that wheneven I'm in a primarily Catholic country like Spain and walk into a cathedral, there are always multiple statues of the Virgin with Christ in her arms, or indeed just the Virgin, rather than many of Christ. It's very interesting.

~*Jackie*~

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: samwisedabrave on February 23, 2004, 06:13:47 pm

I just watched the making of this movie, it looks great!!!!!!!!!!!! So passionate!

Its a shame, they claim Mel Gibson will never get another Oscar for making a movie like this. Hollywood does not favor Christianity :(
I doubt he cares though, he has received his fair share of awards anyway.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 23, 2004, 06:31:24 pm

I'm Catholic. Mary is worshipped as an important figure in the church, however she does not take the place of Jesus at all. I actually am not quite sure how what we do with Mary is so different from other Christian religions.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: HerMajesty on February 23, 2004, 07:01:15 pm

Well, I can't speak for other Christianity sects, but I grew up a Presbyterian and Mary wasn't held in such a high esteem. Central to our religion was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost rather than Mary in any form. ;) I am not familiar with any religious practices that include Mary so I'm afraid I can't go into detail about that, lol.

One more thing to comment on:

[quote author=VICKY link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=15#msg530703 date=1077507727]
I am very strong in my christian faith. :)

Whatever this Divinci fellow has to offer, I will not be a witness to because if it's what you all are saying it is, it's not what is written in the Holy Bible. Jesus did have half-brothers but no children because He knew no woman in that way.
[/quote]

Personally, I feel that if one if so strong in his/her faith, he/she is able to look at a certain belief without getting offended; after all, what da Vinci had to say was merely a questionable theory. You can learn all you want about what he put out there without ever having to agree with it.

EDIT: This is just in reference to the Last Supper, though it is rumoured da Vinci has numerous hidden meanings in his paintings. I haven't actually researched it myself.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: CrimsonRose on February 23, 2004, 08:20:05 pm

This movie is going to be the most realistic film to ever be made in the past, present adn future. Mel Gibson has done an AMAZING beautiful thing. It's going to be so realistic and to the fact that people will not be able to handle because some Christians would like to sugar coat Jesus' death. Sad but true. Not very many like to think of the TORTURE, HUMILIATION, and SUFFERING He went through. And It's going to be such a slap in the face for some people. Which will be good or bad. And when people see this, I know I willbe, in COMPLETE SWE over the fact that He went through such a torment of pain for US! TO save US! It's....I have, even now, no words for how amazing this movie will be.

Now I am not trying to get you all to go confess your sins and become die hard Christians. What oyu beleive in is your buisness and i dont beleive in converting people.

Side Note: Will this movie have a chance for running into next years Oscars?? *hopes so*


Side Note2: Jim Cavaziel, seems like such a marvelous choice for Jesus, he almost looks like an EXACT replica!


JIM CAVAZIEL




JESUS



~*~sorry the Jesus picture isn't HIGH quality. they didnt exactly have digi cams back then! ;)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 23, 2004, 08:32:47 pm

[quote author=Girl, Interrupted link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531816 date=1077585605]
to the fact that people will not be able to handle because some Christians would like to sugar coat Jesus' death. Sad but true. Not very many like to think of the TORTURE, HUMILIATION, and SUFFERING He went through. And It's going to be such a slap in the face for some people. [/quote]

Tell me, which Christians don't realize Jesus' suffering on the cross? Who "sugar coats" his death? I'm curious. I've never heard of such a thing.


[quote author=Girl, Interrupted link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531816 date=1077585605]
Side Note2: Jim Cavaziel, seems like such a marvelous choice for Jesus, he almost looks like an EXACT replica!


JIM CAVAZIEL
[/quote]

I personally wouldn't say he's an EXACT replica, but he does look fine for the part, in my opinion. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 23, 2004, 09:38:44 pm

I'm Catholic and Mary has never been worshiped more than Jesus. The thing is that we pray to her in order for her to pray for us. That's part of Catholic faith in the Virgin Mary. We worship her as the mother of God. There are churches all over the world with names of her but those are based on the places where she has appeared. Like in Lourdes in France, Carmen in Spain, Medugorie (spell?) in Yugoslavia etc.

Some people don't believe in that, but that's ok. I for one, believe. :)

btw, i do think Jim Caviezel makes a good Jesus, but this is one of my favorite Jesus of all time, i don't remember his first name, but his last name is Powel in Jesus of Nazareth.


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 23, 2004, 11:28:26 pm

^^Right. Catholics believe Mary is the Mother of God. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death ...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: laureawen on February 24, 2004, 01:00:19 am

The youth pastor at my church saw a special viewing of the film at one of the churches in my home town and Mel was actually there to talked about it. She said that it was quite amazing, but very difficult to watch (I can only imagine). So I am very much looking forward to seeing it.

I think this may be a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone has seen the play, or movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar" and what you thought of it. I personally loved it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: samwisedabrave on February 24, 2004, 08:22:51 am


Quote:
I think this may be a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone has seen the play, or movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar" and what you thought of it. I personally loved it.


Andrew Loyd Webber right? Ya I think so. Little too pop like for me; at least the version I heard was. I would rather see Turandot, La Boheme or Manon Lescaut myself.

AND NOT TO FORGET TOSCA

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: yoo_hoo on February 24, 2004, 12:43:18 pm

I find it hard to imagine Jesus having children- theres no recollection of it in the Bible, so personally I disagree with the "rumour" that he did.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 24, 2004, 05:36:39 pm

It's not mentioned in the Bible, but neither are around 20 years of Jesus' life. The first time he's mentioned he's a baby, then he's like 12, and then he's in his thirties. Now, I have no clue what happened during that time either, but I totally believe it's possible that he had a family.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: CrimsonRose on February 24, 2004, 05:51:04 pm

[quote author=MysteriousMrWood link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531824 date=1077586367]
[quote author=Girl, Interrupted link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531816 date=1077585605]
to the fact that people will not be able to handle because some Christians would like to sugar coat Jesus' death. Sad but true. Not very many like to think of the TORTURE, HUMILIATION, and SUFFERING He went through. And It's going to be such a slap in the face for some people. [/quote]

Tell me, which Christians don't realize Jesus' suffering on the cross? Who "sugar coats" his death? I'm curious. I've never heard of such a thing.


[quote author=Girl, Interrupted link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=30#msg531816 date=1077585605]
Side Note2: Jim Cavaziel, seems like such a marvelous choice for Jesus, he almost looks like an EXACT replica!


JIM CAVAZIEL
[/quote]

I personally wouldn't say he's an EXACT replica, but he does look fine for the part, in my opinion. :)
[/quote]


After reading my message after you posted 'sugar coat'. ...blah blah. I mean that by some Christians (NOT ALL) kind of have a hard time imaginging how horrible the torture was. The whips they used on Him had sharpened bones at the end. and there wasnt just ONE..there were a LOT. (12 seems ot be the magick number). A THRON CROWN! OW! I think people ould to think that they didn't put it on Him tightly but instead sort of...casual like. Going back to the whipping, have you ever seen a slaves' back from a whipping. How is so horribly scarred and dired blood on it...That's what Jesus' back more than likelylookedlike fromt he whipping. Some people owuld like to beleive that He wasjustnailed to the Cross and that was that..but um no....The last 12 hrs of His death (mostly what this movie is time framed in) was...basically Hell on Earth. Perhaps SUGAR COAT was or IS the wrong word, maybe LOOK PAST, NOT LIKING TO THINK ABOUT, is better for this issue. But frankly, who can blame them...His death and torturewas so horrible that we can't EVEn comprehend nor imagine the stuff He went through. And, hons, that is by NO MEANS our fault! We just weren't around and as little children going to Cathchism or SUnday School the teachers wanted to protect from the horrible truth. And even.now as I sit in Conformation class, i find my teracher avoiding tell the HARDCORE, DEAD HONEST, BRUTAL truth....But who can blame him really? MAybe perhaps it's justwhere I am located thati see people not wanting to hear how horrible truth. But i think for SOME people it will be a slap in the face. and when i say SOME PEOPLE...i mean the 6.6 billion OTHER people in the world and NO ONE directly on here.


If you got the wrong impression that I dont beleive in Jesus, God, Mary and the Bible and all that jazz...I'm a Roman Catholic. definently not the best one and by no means will I be seated at the right hand of the Father when I die but I still love, believe and pray to Jesus and God. And believe me, when you're locked up in a mental hospital and when all you have is your Bible to read (besides going to Therapy, meals and sleeping) its kind of hard NOT to beleive someone else is out there. Somuch stuff has happened to me that there is no watthat i CANNOT beleive in a Higher Being.

Side Note A: hence the fact that i put ALMOST by Jim's piccie...


Side Note B: Sorry if this all came off as ab!tch post or something...*hugs oogle tight to MMW* I'd smooch ya on the cheek babe but...i'm sorta sick right now! lol Stupid Mister MOnthly Friend and stress and being sick...blegh....hate being a b!tch sometimes....;);) ;);)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: uNblessed Citrus on February 24, 2004, 08:01:07 pm

Y'know, I saw the book from the movie at Wal-Mart. [picture book, i guess]

Holy MOLY! :o :o

It's so graphic. I want to go see it, and i'm not even Christian.

Oh yeah, and a note:

Girl interrupted, no one knows what Jesus looks like anyways. So how can you say he was an 'exact replica?'

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: yoo_hoo on February 25, 2004, 01:58:59 pm

^^^ Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. An exact replica of what?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: WackoJacko20000 on February 26, 2004, 05:42:50 pm

Who in the States has seen this then and can give us a review?

~*Jackie*~

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 26, 2004, 05:45:03 pm

No one hates you! We were just questioning what you said, which was in fact your own opinion. And, refering to your other post, I never got the impression that you didn't believe in God or Jesus. I know you believe, and no one has the right to claim you don't believe.

And I now understand what you meant by "sugar coat". I was reading a few articles about the movie the other day, and I now get the point you were trying to make. Some people just don't realize the agony and suffering and torture Jesus endured in the last 12 hours of his life, and that's what you were trying to say, right? I guess sugar coat was just a poor vocabulary choice, that's all. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: CrimsonRose on February 26, 2004, 08:02:04 pm

Thanks hon it's just....ugh.life is SO HARD! It got so bad to today that I b!tch slapped my friend across the face and got suspended form school today and tomorrow...So yeah...ergh I do not know what is wrong. My meds arent working and therapy is a waste of time....stupid winter season.cant go outside and do anything.......cabin fever and such i guess........sorry guys.



BACK ON TOPIC!

Saturday we(my Youth Group) are going to see it. My aunt saw it and said it was AMAZING! SHe cried so hard because the love between Mary and Christ is amazing. But really I cant WAIT to see this movie! EE!

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: eowyn89 on February 26, 2004, 08:50:32 pm

i want to see it, but im under 18 and my parents wont take me because the ythink its too graphic. TEAR. you know what is really symbolic though, is that sometime during filming, i dont know when, the person who plays jesus christ was struck by lightning and after, just simlply got up and walked off. thats got to be a sign right? well, at least thats whatthe official site said. ill find the article and post it! also, i was wondering whatthe barbed wire circlet thing is, ive never heard about anything like that. it looks absolutely terrible :( :( :( tear

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 26, 2004, 08:52:59 pm

Woman Dies of Heart Attack While Viewing The Passion of Christ (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: eowyn89 on February 26, 2004, 08:55:07 pm

okay... i can't post the article, because its kind of a flash site... so ill type it out:

"...But Caviezel came away from the experience convinced that Someone had been watching over him, a sense that was borne out when the actor was struck by lightning while working on Golgotha---and simply got up and walked away." (from the official site)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Lijlover16 on February 26, 2004, 09:09:54 pm

[quote author=-Eowyn- link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=45#msg535558 date=1077846632]
i want to see it, but im under 18 and my parents wont take me because the ythink its too graphic. TEAR. you know what is really symbolic though, is that sometime during filming, i dont know when, the person who plays jesus christ was struck by lightning and after, just simlply got up and walked off. thats got to be a sign right? well, at least thats whatthe official site said. ill find the article and post it! also, i was wondering whatthe barbed wire circlet thing is, ive never heard about anything like that. it looks absolutely terrible :( :( :( tear
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I have the exact opposite problem: My Mum really wants me to go, but I'm kind of afraid. Afraid of what? well, I don't know...I guess of becoming depressed, again, but that's another story....

I think the reason God sent Jesus to go through so much pain was so that he would go through more suffering than any other man alive. Perhaps that way we'd all know that no matter how horrible things are, they aren't quite as horrible as what happened to Jesus, and we'd be reminded that he went through all of this to save us from our sins. He had to go through something of such magnitude to kind of get the point across.
Does that make any sence?

Anyway, I don't know if anybody else caught this, but in the movie they put the nails in Jesus's hands, like on the cross. During crucifications, didn't the nails actually get put through the wrists?
My religion teacher told me that in sixth grade, and that because the nail is put in the wrists it made Jesus' pop out into the palm of his hand :-\

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 26, 2004, 09:24:09 pm

I don't want to see it, but that's because I can't handle onscreen graphic violence. And it's supposed to be really, really bad that way. I understand the need to portray the torture and suffering accurately, but I've heard rumours that they don't include the ascension at the end. Um... Isn't that kind of missing the point?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: elijahsflower on February 26, 2004, 09:45:33 pm

well im 15 and i saw it with my friends church group and BEWARE. its so magnificantly done...it really puts you in the right mind. the torture is so graphic. people say that its too violent. well it is too violent - because it was to violent. i mean come on peeps! a crucifixtion!
but it is very exact and punctual- i read the gospel accounts today and the movie is word for word. jim caviezel is excellent and literally the whole theatre was DEAD SILENT after it was over. No sound whatso ever. it totally blew me away. don't plan anything after you see it. and bring LOTS of tissues. The portrayal of Satan, Pilate, and Judas was brilliant. GO see it. it is worth it. it makes you realize so much more. You love it and hate it b/c its so hard to grasp, you almost don't wanna believe it, but its so incredibly powerful. Thank you Jesus!

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 26, 2004, 09:49:00 pm

I have to ask you again then, since you saw it: Did they show the ascension or not?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MyPrecious on February 26, 2004, 10:32:36 pm

I've seen the film as well, and I have to say (as a faithful Catholic) that it was a great film. Of course, like every movie, it isn't for everyone. The violence wasn't as bad for me as I thought it would be (perhaps I'm a bit desensitized,) But, the violence is nonetheless disturbing, however it needed to be included in the film b/c that's what it (Christ's crucifiction) was like.

As far as it being anti- semetic, I think people need to make up their own minds about that. Whatever your views are beforehand, chances are that's what your views will be afterwards. (in other words, if your looking for anti-semitism, you'll find it. If your looking for a peacefull, loving message, you'll find it.)

Overall, I would recommend this film to all people, regardless of faith, who feel they can take the violence. I believe it's an important film about an important figure who changed the course of faith and history.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: mzrayray on February 26, 2004, 10:40:47 pm

I'm very interested in films like this, from what I heard so far, it's done well. The only problem I have is that the visions tend to stay in my mind for a long time after watching something like this. It makes me sad..... I'd still want to check it out though.

I was watching Entertainment Tonight a few minutes ago and they reported this one woman who had, I believe, a heart attack as she watched this movie.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 26, 2004, 10:48:06 pm

Yeah, Tiff posted the link to that story on the last page. Here I'll post it again: Woman Dies of Heart Attack While Viewing The Passion of Christ (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html)

That seriously freaks me out -- I honestly don't know what to think.


But will SOMEBODY please tell me if they show the friggin' ascension?!?!? I know some of you have seen it now -- I thought I was asking nicely.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: doxiegrl1 on February 26, 2004, 10:55:04 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=60#msg535675 date=1077853686]
But will SOMEBODY please tell me if they show the friggin' ascension?!?!? I know some of you have seen it now -- I thought I was asking nicely.
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Maybe 3rd times the charm... ;)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Fearless on February 26, 2004, 10:56:22 pm

It sounds pretty interesting...i'd like to watch sometime.

yeah i heard about that woman dying which is really scary but yet i find it a bit funny. I don't know why i have a weird sense of humour.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Diamonds on February 27, 2004, 01:22:34 am

*helps Rhoda out*
So does it show the ascention?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Hobbits1 on February 27, 2004, 08:54:30 am

I just saw this movie last night, and I loved it! I cried so much, but it gave me a whole new perspective of what Christ had to go through.

About the ascension question... no. The last scene shows one of Jesus' hands with the hole from the nail. But it doesn't show him go up to heaven, only when he awoke in the grave.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 27, 2004, 03:20:50 pm

[quote author=Jackie Louise link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=60#msg535950 date=1077890070]
I just saw this movie last night, and I loved it! I cried so much, but it gave me a whole new perspective of what Christ had to go through.

About the ascension question... no. The last scene shows one of Jesus' hands with the hole from the nail. But it doesn't show him go up to heaven, only when he awoke in the grave.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!! Finally, somebody answers my question.
*whew*
Sorry I got so nit-picky about that -- I just felt like I was being ignored. :-X

I'm so freaking torn about this movie... I really want to see it, but there's no way I could handle the violence. I'm unusually squeamish to begin with when it comes to this kind of thing. I've always been intrigued by the story of Jesus -- I've seen parts of the Franco Zefferelli mini-series a few times, because my Dad taped it when it came on. (It's been a while since I've seen it though.)

I don't understand the ascension thing though. Or the lack of it, I mean. That was always the most important part of the story, at least the way I see it. I mean, I understand what he's (Mel Gibson, that is) trying to do, and I get the reasoning behind it -- the suffering and pain is important, I understand that. But how can you not have the ascension? It just seems like he left out the key message.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Cristiel on February 27, 2004, 04:01:08 pm

This movie is not released yet over here :( I have to wait until April 7 to see it :(

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: EJW50 on February 27, 2004, 04:25:51 pm

yeah,this movie looks good in the sense of having it be a bit more accurate then some others i've seen about Jesus.I'm hoping to be able and go see it soon,but the tickets are all sold out right now :( lol.
So as soon as i'm able to get my hands on 'em then i'll go and check it out for myself.

The incedent with the lady dying was getting me kinda scared about viewing it,But i don't think i have a big chance of anything like that happening to me! I'm still young!lol

I think that the film is a very powerful one though and i'm glad Mel Gibson took a step like that and brought a movie such as this to the public...especially at this point in time,it was a good release date :)

well i'll be waiting for my turn..as far as reviewing goes.Hope its as good as they say! this subject is important to me,so see ya's later!
KB


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 27, 2004, 04:28:03 pm

I'm not sure why the Ascension isn't shown in the movie, Rhoda. I'm sure a reason is probably mentioned in an interview somewhere though.

Actually, the point of the movie is the Passion, or passio, meaning pain or suffering. I think it's Latin.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MyPrecious on February 27, 2004, 07:44:55 pm

[quote author=MysteriousMrWood link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=60#msg536265 date=1077917283]
I'm not sure why the Ascension isn't shown in the movie, Rhoda. I'm sure a reason is probably mentioned in an interview somewhere though.

Actually, the point of the movie is the Passion, or passio, meaning pain or suffering. I think it's Latin.
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You are right. The original meaning of the word "passion" is "to suffer" or "to pass through." I think Mel Gibson wanted to show basically his suffering and his emotional struggle as he accepted his death freely. However, we do see him rise at the end (he walks away from where his body was laid), so it's not like you see him on the cross and then that's it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 27, 2004, 07:55:09 pm

I saw it, and LOVED IT! Im very sensitive to graphic violence and blood and all that but honestly i could handle it. This is not an ordinary movie. And here's my humble review:

I loved the portrayal of Pilates, he was brilliant. I liked the way Mel included his wife in the whole issue.

Satan and those little demons OMG! they freaked me out! and what about that freaking looking baby Satan was carrying while Jesus was tortured. Was that like the anti-christ or something? ???

Mary mother of Jesus was the image of all mothers there.

and what can i say about Jim Caviezel as Jesus. That was definetely the performance of his career.

I'd like to watch it again.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 27, 2004, 07:56:38 pm

[quote author=MyPrecious link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=60#msg536602 date=1077929095]
[quote author=MysteriousMrWood link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=60#msg536265 date=1077917283]
I'm not sure why the Ascension isn't shown in the movie, Rhoda. I'm sure a reason is probably mentioned in an interview somewhere though.

Actually, the point of the movie is the Passion, or passio, meaning pain or suffering. I think it's Latin.
[/quote]

You are right. The original meaning of the word "passion" is "to suffer" or "to pass through." I think Mel Gibson wanted to show basically his suffering and his emotional struggle as he accepted his death freely. However, we do see him rise at the end (he walks away from where his body was laid), so it's not like you see him on the cross and then that's it.

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Oooh, okay. That's a little better then. I was reading somewhere that the last shot is a raindrop falling on Golgotha, and that's the end. And I was like, whaaat!? Thanks for clearing that up though. ;) I was very disturbed by that.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Silmewen on February 27, 2004, 08:01:47 pm

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here, but what is this movie rated?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 27, 2004, 08:20:23 pm

R. Although I have a feeling it would be NC-17 if not for the subject matter. (i.e. the fact that it's a religious movie)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Hobbits1 on February 28, 2004, 12:11:51 am

To tell you the truth, I think it should've been rated PG-13. I'm not easily grossed out by blood though... so I guess that is a decent rating. I honestly don't think it should've been worse... which it wasn't.... so that's good.

PHF - Though most people I know are very squeamish when it comes to blood in movie, most of them handled it through this movie. It showed what Jesus went through, which is the importance of the movie. Also, I think Mel Gibson was just mainly getting the point out of what Jesus went through for us, so that might be a reason he didn't add the ascension... plus, timing for the movie. Also with the meaning of Passion and stuff, that's a good reason too. I don't know, there are many possibilites of why it wasn't in there.

The part where the raindrop landed at Golgotha... that was awesome. It looked really cool when it happened, heh....

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 28, 2004, 12:32:46 am

Oh yeah, I totally get why the rating was what it was -- even with all that gorey nastiness, it's the message that's important. I mean, it's not like Kill Bill (which also should have been NC-17) where all the gore is completely gratuitous and just plain overdone. But I always, always advocate for stricter ratings when it comes to violence in movies, no matter what the subject matter is. I just think they're getting too lenient lately; I've seen some PG13s that were so close to the edge it was shocking, and I just don't get it. But like I said, right or wrong, if this hadn't been a Jesus movie, I really think MPAA would have upped it to NC-17, and I wouldn't blame them. It's the same thing with Holocaust movies -- no matter how graphic it is, I think the rating people feel an obligation to slack off on the restrictions because of the whole "true story" factor. Like, "this is what really happened, and it's important, so don't look away." That bothers me. I ought to be able to understand what happened without having to be nauseated by seeing it onscreen. But maybe that's too harsh -- it's just me anyway, and I'm not going to see it. Besides, the main thing that bugs me about the rating system is that by lowering their standards (IMO, of course) they're desensitising the public to brutal graphic violence very gradually and I don't think that's a good thing -- but something tells me that doesn't really apply to this one. I don't get the impression that people are coming away from it desensitised. Just the opposite, really. So I guess it's okay.
Sorry for all that rambling, jeez... I kind of got on a roll there. :-X

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 28, 2004, 09:58:48 am

The rating is ok for me. If it would've been rated pg-13 many people would've freaked out and said, "that should've been rated R!!" and so for. there's too much blood and the torture scenes are very graphic leaving almost nothing to the imagination.

The LOTR movies are rated pg-13 even though there's war and violence everywhere but it's not graphic and there's not blood splashing aroung as in the Passion.

But i do agree that NC-17 could've been another choice for rating this film. It's even more graphic than Saving Private Ryan or Gangs in New York.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: WackoJacko20000 on February 28, 2004, 01:11:53 pm

It's been rated 18 over here in the UK.

Should be out at about Easter time :-\

~*Jackie*~

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 28, 2004, 02:17:09 pm

What's the rating system like in the UK? What are the restrictions and stuff? Here, the R rating says no one who's under 17 can go without adult supervision; NC-17 says no one under 17, period. It's a subtle difference, really. My main beef with the system is that it seems like no amount of violence can earn an NC-17, but nudity can easily. I just think our priorities and values are way screwed up.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 28, 2004, 02:24:12 pm

I agree, Rhoda.

I'm going to see it in about an hour... I'll be happy to give a review. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on February 28, 2004, 03:33:32 pm

[quote author=~*Jackie*~ link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=75#msg537267 date=1077991913]
It's been rated 18 over here in the UK.

Should be out at about Easter time :-\

~*Jackie*~
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Hopefully Ireland will do what it always does and go a grade lower to be difficult. It might be a 15 over here...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: RipTide on February 28, 2004, 05:59:30 pm

Wow.

They only way I can describe it.

Wow.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 28, 2004, 07:08:12 pm

I second that wow, Zoe. All I can say now about it is that the movie is emotionally draining. I'm tired.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Silmewen on February 28, 2004, 07:35:54 pm

So would one recommend this movie to a 15 year-old? I'm 14 and 11 months old, but I really want to see this movie.. I don't mind blood or gore or anything, but if it's REALLY bad, I'm not sure if I should see it. My oldest brother said he'd take me if I wanted to go... :-\

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 28, 2004, 08:11:08 pm

It just depends on your personal limits, I guess. I've heard it both ways -- people that usually handle blood okay were grossed out by it, and people that usually are squeamish didn't take it so badly. I know it's too much for me, but I'm twenty and huge wuss. (I have to look away from the Black Knight scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 28, 2004, 08:21:57 pm

I actually wasn't disturbed by the violence. It was less violent that I had expected. My parents probably won't let my 14 year old sister see it, but if you really want to see it, and you're parents don't mind, I'm sure you'd be fine. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Silmewen on February 28, 2004, 08:42:32 pm

OK :) I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't have nightmares about it later... ::)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 28, 2004, 08:49:58 pm

I don't think it's a nightmare-inducing type of movie, really. I mean, it's really bloody and graphic, but not scary really. (At least that's the impression I'm getting.)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Silmewen on February 28, 2004, 09:07:03 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=75#msg537856 date=1078019398]
I don't think it's a nightmare-inducing type of movie, really. I mean, it's really bloody and graphic, but not scary really. (At least that's the impression I'm getting.)
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oh! Yeah, I was really confused about that... One of my friends said that she saw it and had nightmares about it later ::) So I thought maybe it was scary. I mean, it didn't look scary, but you never know...
..Then again, my friend's kinda weird.... she had nightmares about Finding Nemo...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: RipTide on February 28, 2004, 09:41:46 pm

I not really affected by blood, but to a certain extent. I don't mind it when it comes to movies, b/c its for the sake of good cinema-or in the case of 'The Passion' learning.

The blood really puts things into perspective. You really understand what Jesus went through and what he really did for everyone. And you appriciate the Bible a lot more. I saw the movie on Wednesday. When it was over, I went to mass. It is really powerful.


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on February 28, 2004, 10:15:06 pm

I saw the movie tonight. It was so amazing! Mel Gibson (the director) did an amazing job! I cried the whole time! :'( I think everyone should go see it! I appreciated it all before but now it makes me cry to think about it. But the love and passion is so wonderful! :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on February 28, 2004, 10:45:13 pm

I already got a report from a cousin telling me that her friend walked out in the middle of it and didn't finish it. ::) But Mel was clear when he said, if you can't handle violence, don't see it. :-X

About nightmares, it didn't give me nightmares but i did have some trouble sleeping cuz i kept remembering the faces of those little demons that appeared in the movie, not to mention that nasty looking baby.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Silmewen on February 28, 2004, 10:51:56 pm

[quote author=LunaHobbit link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=90#msg538044 date=1078026313]
About nightmares, it didn't give me nightmares but i did have some trouble sleeping cuz i kept remembering the faces of those little demons that appeared in the movie, not to mention that nasty looking baby.
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Demons and a nasty looking baby?? Did I miss something :-\

Is it REALLY creepy, or just a little?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on February 28, 2004, 10:58:51 pm

It isn't creepy...it is real! I mean that is the point...to make you see the evil in the devil. Am I right?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 29, 2004, 01:24:32 am

So the answer is yes -- it's creepy. (I don't think that necessarily implies that it's any less real.)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Agent Wood on February 29, 2004, 03:35:13 am

I'd really Like to see this Movie Sometime this week. I Kinda Think My Mom Would Like To See This Movie Too But I Doubt She'll beable to handle the Gore in it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on February 29, 2004, 09:45:30 am

I don't care how creepy it is...I think EVERYONE should see it. That was the only movie I've ever been to that everyone just sits there afterward still crying and doesn't say a word leaving. I loved it! Great message! :D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: mzrayray on February 29, 2004, 12:20:04 pm

I want to see this movie. I think it looks great and like many of you have said, it sends out a great message and it's something that everyone should go watch.

Plus, Maggie saw it, and she said wow. I'll take your word for it. :-*

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 29, 2004, 12:25:07 pm

I think I'm gonna read the Gospels again. Just because that's one of the biggest parts Mel keeps bragging about -- his Biblical accuracy. (On a side note, I'm probably going to end up not going just on the basis of everyone repeating that "everyone should see it" thing. I've heard that so many times at this point -- it's starting to get on my nerves. But that's just my Taurean obstinence kicking in. ::))

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: SolskjaersGirl on February 29, 2004, 12:25:27 pm

Hey girls..

Here's a great review of this movie. I'm still hoping that it'd be shown over here. But, I've a feeling it might not for one reason or other.. :-\

Anyway, maybe by the Lord's grace it will be. :) It's the message of this movie and what it intends to do is what counts!

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-passion24.html

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 29, 2004, 12:26:16 pm

Where are you that you don't think they'll end up showing it?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: SoulOfMiddleEarth on February 29, 2004, 12:27:15 pm

Guys reading all your posts I sooo want to see it :)
It still haven't come out in France ... And first , the governent ( or some sh*t like that! ) didn't want too, because I dun really know why but yeah now it all solved and it will come out in France, I just hope SOON!!! :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: SolskjaersGirl on February 29, 2004, 12:30:57 pm

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The reason why I don't think they'd show it is because, most of the film would be deemed too violent for viewing and might end up on the censorship floor. The silly censors here are really nuts at times! Anyway, I have a feeling the other reason could be religious. But, I don't really want to get into that.

We will still get to see, though. LOL, in other covert ways. ;D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 29, 2004, 12:31:07 pm

Sorry for posting so many times, but I gotta quote this:

"Note: I said the film is the most violent I have ever seen. It will probably be the most violent you have ever seen. This is not a criticism but an observation; the film is unsuitable for younger viewers, but works powerfully for those who can endure it. The MPAA's R rating is definitive proof that the organization either will never give the NC-17 rating for violence alone, or was intimidated by the subject matter. If it had been anyone other than Jesus up on that cross, I have a feeling that NC-17 would have been automatic."

That is great review -- thanks for the link! It's the most truly objective meditation on the film I've seen so far. Very cool. :)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: SolskjaersGirl on February 29, 2004, 12:35:45 pm

Your welcome! :) That's one of the best reviews I've read too. ;D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on February 29, 2004, 02:21:23 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=90#msg538621 date=1078075507]
I think I'm gonna read the Gospels again. Just because that's one of the biggest parts Mel keeps bragging about -- his Biblical accuracy. (On a side note, I'm probably going to end up not going just on the basis of everyone repeating that "everyone should see it" thing. I've heard that so many times at this point -- it's starting to get on my nerves. But that's just my Taurean obstinence kicking in. ::))
[/quote]

Why is that annoying? It is about Jesus. You should want to go no matter what (though I suppose I'm not to say what you should or should not do). Mel's accuracy is actual the most accurate you'll probably find! I already looked.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: elijahsflower on February 29, 2004, 02:29:02 pm

It was very accurate---i read the gospel's and i loved the way Mel Gibson pulled them all together...made it juicier. wow. it justs makes you understand so much more

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on February 29, 2004, 02:52:55 pm

[quote author=*Irky D's Homegirl* link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=105#msg538748 date=1078082942]
It was very accurate---i read the gospel's and i loved the way Mel Gibson pulled them all together...made it juicier. wow. it justs makes you understand so much more
[/quote]

Oh yes! I know...it was great how he did that. Like with the flashbacks and all! I'm glad someone agrees with me! ;D *high fives*

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 29, 2004, 04:19:20 pm

Lurve you Ray. :-*

Zoe, I saw the movie yesterday, and church this morning was such a different experience for me.

As for the accuracy, the movie is extremely accurate. I liked how Mel combined all of the Gospel's last words.

And the flashbacks were so great. I loved the table scene, it was so sweet.

So, those of you that have seen it... what's your take on Satan with the baby? My mom has one idea, I'm not sure if I agree with it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: bwmlizzie101 on February 29, 2004, 04:26:47 pm

i thought it was wonderful omg i cryed so bad :'( But it kicked ass ;D

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: HerMajesty on February 29, 2004, 04:51:01 pm

[quote author=Megs~*Turning Hobbit*~ link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=105#msg538743 date=1078082483]
[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=90#msg538621 date=1078075507]
I think I'm gonna read the Gospels again. Just because that's one of the biggest parts Mel keeps bragging about -- his Biblical accuracy. (On a side note, I'm probably going to end up not going just on the basis of everyone repeating that "everyone should see it" thing. I've heard that so many times at this point -- it's starting to get on my nerves. But that's just my Taurean obstinence kicking in. ::))
[/quote]

Why is that annoying? It is about Jesus. You should want to go no matter what (though I suppose I'm not to say what you should or should not do).
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I know what Rhoda means but at the risk of putting words into her mouth, I'll just say I agree with her.

I don't like it when people say, "Go see it! Go see it! The movie's great! Go see it!" It just makes me determined not to see it.

That's regardless of religion, because not all of us are Christians you know.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: starstruck88 on February 29, 2004, 04:54:43 pm

I haven't seen it but I've heard that it was no more graphic then some war movies. Actually some people say they think the crucifixtion could have been more violent...but I'll just have to wait until tomorrow to give my opinion on it

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: RipTide on February 29, 2004, 05:02:01 pm

I expected the violence of the whipping and crucifixion. But when the crow plucked that other guys eyes out...wasn't expecting that.

[quote author=LunaHobbit link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=90#msg538044 date=1078026313]
About nightmares, it didn't give me nightmares but i did have some trouble sleeping cuz i kept remembering the faces of those little demons that appeared in the movie, not to mention that nasty looking baby.
[/quote]
That baby was creepy! Nasty, ugly thing.
The devil reminded me of Sinead O'Conner. B/c of the baldness.

Though my friend Matt is trying to psychoanalyze that fact that the devil was a woman. He keeps asking, "What do you think Gibson is hinting at?"
Anybody take psychology?

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on February 29, 2004, 05:13:25 pm

[quote author=HerMajesty link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=105#msg538908 date=1078091461]
[quote author=Megs~*Turning Hobbit*~ link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=105#msg538743 date=1078082483]
[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=90#msg538621 date=1078075507]
I think I'm gonna read the Gospels again. Just because that's one of the biggest parts Mel keeps bragging about -- his Biblical accuracy. (On a side note, I'm probably going to end up not going just on the basis of everyone repeating that "everyone should see it" thing. I've heard that so many times at this point -- it's starting to get on my nerves. But that's just my Taurean obstinence kicking in. ::))
[/quote]

Why is that annoying? It is about Jesus. You should want to go no matter what (though I suppose I'm not to say what you should or should not do).
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I know what Rhoda means but at the risk of putting words into her mouth, I'll just say I agree with her.

I don't like it when people say, "Go see it! Go see it! The movie's great! Go see it!" It just makes me determined not to see it.

That's regardless of religion, because not all of us are Christians you know.

[/quote]
Yes, very much so. :) That's exactly it. I've avoided many other things just for the sake of being different, and being difficult. And um... Megs, saying I should want to see it just because it's about Jesus doesn't help either. There are lots of movies about Jesus -- I prefer hearing about what he did for others during his life rather than the bad stuff that happened to him after the Pharisees decided to kill him. (I should probably mention I'm not technically a Christian either. I believe Jesus existed, and I believe in all the good he did and the miracles, but I don't worship him as God. I think of him more like an Angel on Earth, if that makes any sense.)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 29, 2004, 05:17:31 pm

The actress who plays Satan is Rosalinda Celentano. More info here: http://imdb.com/name/nm0147988/

I think Mel chose her because of her androgyenous qualities. (I've butchered the word...anyone?). We don't know if Satan is a man or a woman, just as God isn't necessarily male. I thought Satan was great in the movie. Very eerie and evil.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: supervixen on February 29, 2004, 06:44:16 pm

i saw the movie yesterday. it was just amazing. very powerful. i cried through two-thirds of it!!

as for the violence, i honestly didn't think it was that bad. i've honestly seen worse in certain movies (Kill Bill anyone?). and this is coming from someone who get very squeemish arouynd all things bloody!

and my take on the whole freaky baby scene is that Satan was mocking Jesus and his pure birth. the baby was almost like an anti-Christ.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on February 29, 2004, 06:55:45 pm

My mom thought the Satan/baby thing was Satan showing Jesus that if he chose to be Satan's son, he would be out of harm's way and nutured. I don't know...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Raiwen on March 01, 2004, 01:49:47 pm

Someone said that the baby the devil carries is the personification of evil. it is presented in the innocent image of a child which has been corrupted by the sin in the world. I don't know, I'd have to see it.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: uNblessed Citrus on March 01, 2004, 07:57:01 pm

Omg..

I just saw it yesterday.

I'M STILL STUNNED. ABSOLUTELY STUNNING.

Sorry for the caps, but that is all that can describe how i fell. It is one of the best movies i've ever seen. It shows everything so violent, you almost feel like your Jesus. And Jesus' and Mary's love for each other is just breath taking.

I hope the sweep the oscars next year; Oh, they better [shakes fist]

Edit: Spelling. Sorry..too lazy to check it the first time.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: LunaHobbit on March 02, 2004, 03:23:42 pm



Quote:

Though my friend Matt is trying to psychoanalyze that fact that the devil was a woman. He keeps asking, "What do you think Gibson is hinting at?"
Anybody take psychology?

Quote:


ok, not only we have to deal with Eve's screwing up at paradise, now they're saying the devil is a woman!?! ::) fine.


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on March 02, 2004, 03:41:57 pm

I was under the impression that the devil was androgynous -- neither male nor female.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: CrimsonRose on March 02, 2004, 07:11:17 pm

oh.my.goodness........


*faints*


i saw it sat. and im still in shock. i wanna see it again. cant wait for the DVD!

Even though I had sort of always know Jesus' death was pretty violent this movie was STILL a slap in the face for me. I cried. Mary and Jesus' love is amazing. Oh im gonna cry!!! lol! it wasbeautiful how much they shared!


Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: JaiFan on March 02, 2004, 09:22:59 pm

I am just back from seeing this movie and it has to be the most emotional movie i have seen in my life. It was fantastic, I cried through it most of the time.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: MyPrecious on March 02, 2004, 10:38:20 pm

[quote author=LunaHobbit link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=120#msg540916 date=1078259022]


Quote:

Though my friend Matt is trying to psychoanalyze that fact that the devil was a woman. He keeps asking, "What do you think Gibson is hinting at?"
Anybody take psychology?

Quote:


ok, not only we have to deal with Eve's screwing up at paradise, now they're saying the devil is a woman!?! ::) fine.



[/quote]


I heard Gibson explain this in an interview. He wasn't saying that the devil was a woman, he wanted to show that quite often the devil, or evilness for that matter comes in the form of something that at first glance may seem unthreatening, and maybe even tempting, but underneath it is evil. Using a good looking woman helps illustrate this concept, but when we see her closely on screen, we notice the worm in her nose and the snake that is by her feet. It just shows that evil sometimes can come in pretty packages (ie. don't judge a book by it's cover!)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Diamonds on March 06, 2004, 11:39:15 pm

I glad everyone is loving this movie, i might go see it when it comes out on video!

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ (Jax wept)
Post by: WackoJacko20000 on March 29, 2004, 04:45:36 pm

I saw this just now and I wept from start to finish.

It's not a film you can say you liked and I certainly can't distinguish, but it was amazing. Everyone needs to see it.

I've never been moved like this before from a film. I'm still shaking. I just sat there for five minutes when it had finished, and cried and cried. There was a small pattering of applause, but mostly people just sat silently, crying.

Go see it.

~*Jackie*~

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Flea on April 16, 2004, 11:33:06 am

i love that movie. it completely blew my mind. i am very familiar with the story, (being Catholic and all ::)) but the movie presents the story in a different medium. i was crying my eyes out in the cinema :'( so much suffering for us, for our sins :'(

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Person on April 16, 2004, 12:50:48 pm

I've havn't seen all of this movie yet, I saw a big bit of it.. mostly when he was serioulsy bloody and had been completely beaten. Very gruesome and kinda disturbing.. but it made me curious, I wana see the rest now >:( lol

Shady Lady 8)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on April 16, 2004, 01:01:58 pm

How did you see just part of it? I know it's not out on DVD or anything yet.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: vero_27 on April 16, 2004, 03:58:52 pm

I saw this movie last monday, i really bdon´t know what to think about it...

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Mithfalasien on April 18, 2004, 10:57:25 am

I saw that last night. Pirate DVD.

Very good copy. I watched it late last night, out of curiosity. It's very impressive visually, I was a tad gobsmacked in general over it.

Though I respect all of your views... I do not see how Jesus could have taken such a beating like that. It's impossible. It's said over and over again that he could not save himself because he was born on Earth as a normal human being... but if he was that normal, then he wouldn't fallen unconscious during the flaying, and carrying the cross... and especially when the nails are driven into his hands and ankles. Someone told me there are points in the middle of the hands that if a nail was driven through, that is the most pain that a human person could feel. He would have died from the shock. Plus, the criminal next to him who condemns him has his eye pecked out by a crow. There is no evidence to suggest those events anyway. And if God forgave everyone for their sins anyway... then why was he punished for just mouthing off?

I'd have to see it again to form a more worthy opinion that just slagging the film off. I'm such it has its good points i.e. the Devil being portrayed as neither male nor female.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: PHF1138 on April 18, 2004, 11:06:21 am

Ah, bad! Bad! Don't watch pirate movies! ::) (Sorry -- normally I don't get into the downloading debate, but in this case it's just deliciously ironic.)

As to the other criminal being crucified, I thought that that crow didn't turn up until he was already dead. If that's the case, then it doesn't really count at "punishment." (I haven't seen it -- is that right?)

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ (Jax wept)
Post by: Laura on April 18, 2004, 02:26:22 pm

[quote author=~*Jackie*~ link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=120#msg572264 date=1080596736]
It's not a film you can say you liked and I certainly can't distinguish, but it was amazing. Everyone needs to see it.
[/quote]

You sumed it up for me. It's really not a film i can say i "liked". It's just... well, there isn't any words really. It's moving.

Amazing and increadable.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Laura on April 18, 2004, 02:35:25 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=120#msg540955 date=1078260117]
I was under the impression that the devil was androgynous -- neither male nor female.
[/quote]

(Excuse the double post but i just had to comment...)

You know what, your right. I think the devil is androgynous. And the lady who played the part was perfect because she wasn't exactly over feminine. My Mum even thought it was a man, where as i argued it was a women, later found out it was infact a women. So... that's good. The fact the part isn't exactly obvious if it was male or female. Definitely good.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Person on April 18, 2004, 08:17:22 pm

[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=120#msg594046 date=1082134918]
How did you see just part of it? I know it's not out on DVD or anything yet.
[/quote]

Someone I know had it on Pirate. Didn't see the whole thing though.

Title: Re:The Passion of the Christ
Post by: Frodo_Ubsessed on April 18, 2004, 09:43:06 pm

[quote author=ElleJay [Lj] link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=135#msg596924 date=1082313325]
[quote author=PHF1138 link=board=4;threadid=16166;start=120#msg540955 date=1078260117]
I was under the impression that the devil was androgynous -- neither male nor female.
[/quote]

(Excuse the double post but i just had to comment...)

You know what, your right. I think the devil is androgynous. And the lady who played the part was perfect because she wasn't exactly over feminine. My Mum even thought it was a man, where as i argued it was a women, later found out it was infact a women. So... that's good. The fact the part isn't exactly obvious if it was male or female. Definitely good.
[/quote]

Yes, I agree...the devil to me is neither male nor female. The woman did a fabulous job of portraying, don't you think? It takes alot to go through that part emotionally I'm sure. :-\


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