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Title: In Defense of "The Ice Storm" - Discussion
Post by: frodolives on March 05, 2003, 06:24:14 pm

All "Ice Storm" discussion goes here!



I think that The Ice Storm is one of those movies where you'll either love or hate, depending on what you get out of it.

I think what people find weird about it is its so-called gratitious sex and drug-adling, as well as its seemingly slo-mo movement.

However, I think the whole point of the movie was essentially, to portray the workings of American suburbia in the 70's, in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

But this was only a setup. But what Ang Lee did in this movie was to give the audience a glimpse of two families. As the title suggests, the story is a cold one. It gives us the feeling of 'look but don't touch'.

The family members are disconnected. Although they are intimate physically with each other, it is obvious that mentally and emotionally, they are strangers. But that's the point - this movie portrays that nothing should substitute the human connection.

I think that although people might find Elijah's character Mikey, weird and disturbed, he is the pinnacle of what I thought was the main theme of the movie.

Mikey is spaced out, alienated, symbolizing how detached he is from everyone else (such as not even realizing that his father had left). He captures the theme perfectly when he talks to Sandy, his brother, about space and its dimensions... how we can only see space in our own heads. To me, this meant that everyone had a sort of barrier around themselves. Like in the scene where Mikey dry-humps Wendy, Wendy only does so with a Nixon mask... again, a barrier.

These people are afraid to connect with each other, other than mere physical contact. That's why the sex is mechanical and dry. Like the ice storm, which encases everything in ice, these characters are the same... as if they themselves have a layer of ice around them.

Of course, Mikey's death is a tragedy, a consequence of this human disconnection.

I think "The Ice Storm" was brilliant, very much in the same vein with "American Beauty" without the upbeat, and may have even acted as its predecessor. The cinematography, the top-notch screenplay, and acting showcases from everyone around made it one of my favorite films, even before I was into Elijah. (Actually, I watched it without knowing Elijah and Mikey was my favorite character so I guess it was meant to be :) )

Ang Lee has a talent for being a perfectionist. I find his incredible talent humbling, as he's able to jump from period to period with ease. (Think that his project before this movie was Sense and Sensibility).

The Ice Storm, I admit, is not an easy movie to watch. It's not a Hollywood movie, and it was never meant to be.

You might have been left dead in the cold by it, you might have been left empty...

But I think that was the point.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: Giz on March 05, 2003, 06:55:44 pm

I really liked the ice storm.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: Feline on March 08, 2003, 02:47:08 pm


I agree with you : you can't watch this movie without having a strange feeling of love or hate. When I watched it for the first time, I was nearly crying at the end, not only because of Mikey's death, but because the characters are so isolated and share nothing but superficial relationship. I was touched by this movie, perhaps because I recognized myself a little...
Frodolives, you wrote about a barrier around ourselves. I usually refers to the "wall" that creates a distance between our mind and the others. It's the same idea.
-------------------------an't watch this movie without having a strange feeling of love or hate. When I watched it for the first time, I was nearly crying at the end, not only because of Mikey's death, but because the characters are so isolated and share nothing but superficial relationship. I was touched by this movie, perhaps because I recognized myself a little...
Frodolives, you wrote about a barrier around ourselves. I usually refers to the "wall" that creates a distance between our mind and the others. It's the same idea.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: Feline on March 08, 2003, 02:49:07 pm

Oooops,
sorry for the last post >:(, my computer is playing naughty games with me :-\.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: Raiwen on March 12, 2003, 04:40:54 pm

i loved the ice storm. did other ppl not?

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: babieluvejw on March 12, 2003, 05:52:43 pm

o Ice storm is my all my favorite! i watched it so many times and it gave me new thoughts everytime i watched it

Ang Lee is one of my favorite director too

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: PHF1138 on March 12, 2003, 07:55:25 pm

Wow, I'm really glad I read this. See, I've been trying to decide whether I would actually want to see it or not, and I've heard that a lot of people didn't really like, or people told me it was no good or something, but I never really heard them say why. I think I'd really like to watch it now!! :D

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: BrollyBaggins on March 14, 2003, 04:26:25 pm

I didn't know whether i liked it or not the first time i watched it, the ending was irritating and i wanted a few qtst answered.
i watched it again and i actually think its a really good movie, not only does it have a great inside meaning, but the charecters are also very well developed.
Micked is my fav charecter and its not just cos of elijah, i think Mickey is such a sad and kind misunderstood charecter that just doesn't seem to fit in well w/ the rest of the world. He makes me laugh but when i think about it i feel kinda sorry for him. I even feel sorry ft or not the first time i watched it, the ending was irritating and i wanted a few qtst answered.
i watched it again and i actually think its a really good movie, not only does it have a great inside meaning, but the charecters are also very well developed.
Micked is my fav charecter and its not just cos of elijah, i think Mickey is such a sad and kind misunderstood charecter that just doesn't seem to fit in well w/ the rest of the world. He makes me laugh but when i think about it i feel kinda sorry for him. I even feel sorry for wendy, cos she so isn't what she actually wants to be.
I think elijah's acting is fantastic too, how on earth did he get through the molecules speech w/ out lauging??? gotta be an artist for that.

Title: Ice Storm
Post by: sassy119 on April 14, 2003, 02:17:24 pm

Man I just saw it. It was just on TV. Man very strange, poor Elijah :-\

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Malli on April 14, 2003, 02:20:16 pm

Somehow the part where he dies is the only part where he looks really good ???

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: sassy119 on April 14, 2003, 02:27:16 pm

What was up with the hair lol ;D

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: ukelijahlover on April 14, 2003, 02:46:32 pm

Havent seen it yet but hope to v soon! Is that the film in which he gets dirty with lucky Christina Ricci?

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: sassy119 on April 14, 2003, 02:54:10 pm

Yeap ;)

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Grawsywoll on April 14, 2003, 03:08:09 pm

He was GORGEOUS but the film was a flop! And he does'nt get REALLY dirrty with him... Only a few mild references as far as I'm concerned! :( :-\

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: ukelijahlover on April 14, 2003, 03:13:10 pm

ohhhh- well ta for letting me know! :)

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: guesswhoisaway on April 14, 2003, 03:35:21 pm

it was the seventies so everything was long in the hair line. It isnt really an elijah film as such but at least he is in it


Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: pwyung5 on April 14, 2003, 03:55:57 pm

haha maybe it's just me but i think he does look cute in the 70's hair hahaha....ok i'll shut up now...

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Redmisery on April 15, 2003, 09:37:39 am

[quote author=pikwai link=board=4;threadid=5149;start=0#msg106531 date=1050350157]
haha maybe it's just me but i think he does look cute in the 70's hair hahaha....ok i'll shut up now...
[/quote]

LoL yeah so do I.
I think the movie is very good. It gets your mind going.
I feel very sorry for Elijahs character in the movie. He seems to be very strange and somehow not really all there.

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Natsuki_Mine on April 15, 2003, 11:36:05 am

[quote author=Malwethiel link=board=4;threadid=5149;start=0#msg106324 date=1050344416]
Somehow the part where he dies is the only part where he looks really good ???
[/quote]

Hey! I thought the same. I went to see that movie because I like Ricci a lot, and when I saw that part I thought: "hep- there goes a good actor" It's a really good death... I mean he does act it really well


Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: The_Diamond on April 15, 2003, 11:36:07 am

Yeah, that 70's haircut was so adorable! I liked it... And all the special clothes he worn too.. ::)
The movie was OK, but Lij was way more than OK!


Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: elijah_angel_19 on April 15, 2003, 10:23:36 pm

very strange movie. I dunno why Elijah did it. I thought it was pretty stupid.

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: VadasNightmaere on April 16, 2003, 08:27:02 am

I liked him in those jeans, the ones with the different coloured pockets. The only thing I didn't like was that ridiculous orange puffy jacket.

I quite enjoyed the movie, it was a little strange, but I still liked it.

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: vicki on April 17, 2003, 04:40:02 am

ive neva seen it i was gonna buy it but i heard it was shit and i wasnt wastin my money like i did wiv black and white and he was quite fit in black and white he dont look 2gud in ice storm as he has floppy hair lol ::) so wats it about?!
vicki xxxx

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: dezloveselijah on April 17, 2003, 09:34:09 am

[quote author=VadasNightmaere link=board=4;threadid=5149;start=0#msg109339 date=1050496022]
I liked him in those jeans, the ones with the different coloured pockets. The only thing I didn't like was that ridiculous orange puffy jacket.

I quite enjoyed the movie, it was a little strange, but I still liked it.
[/quote]

LOL I hate that orange puffy jacket too!! I saw the movie a year ago or so and I loved elijahs hair in the movie. Its nice but the movie itself was way too weird and silly. I hated the part where elijah kissed christina and the bit where he died :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Mithfalasien on April 17, 2003, 10:25:50 am

Lol!! Puffy orange jacket... obviously it wasn't *his* choice to wear now... ;D

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: BrollyBaggins on April 17, 2003, 11:59:22 am

I found the movie quite w/ out story, i was rather disapointed.
But i found elijah's charecter really interesting. He made me laugh and at the same time you feel so sorry for him cos you know he knows he's weird and he's rather lost.
I thought his ending was so sad, and the way we knows he was gonna die.
Great acting people!!! he was really good!
He didn't look bad tho too pale and i didn't like the hair!

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: jewls on April 17, 2003, 01:41:15 pm

I wouldn't say the film was a flop considering that it was a critical success. In fact it was the film that got people to notice him again.

Title: Re:Ice Storm
Post by: Sexy Vixen on April 17, 2003, 02:33:14 pm

He died? I had no idea...how did he die?


Title: The Ice Storm
Post by: ElwoodsBird on June 13, 2003, 01:37:18 am

:-\ Just saw that for the first time yesterday. I cried SO HARD!!! And I don't know. Elijah has always given off this innocent little boy vibes to me, and seeing him do that stuff freaked me out. I love him to death, he is totally gorgeous. But I was shocked! I always had this Elijahs a virgin boy impression in my head!!

Laura

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: noraloveslij on June 13, 2003, 02:00:22 pm

:-\ Well I didn't like it very much, I thought it was kind of boring but lijs was good ;)I saw it becouse of him ;D

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Jannie on June 13, 2003, 07:01:15 pm

I didn't like it very much either, and sometimes it was kind of boring.
But I agree that Elijah was good in that movie :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: elijah_angel_19 on June 13, 2003, 09:09:55 pm

i haven't seen it yet
what did elijah do that was so shocking? please tell and then i'll rent it!!! ;)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: noraloveslij on June 14, 2003, 02:31:49 pm

;D I think she is refering at this scene when this girl is graving lijs dick with her hands :P ofcourse , and he is untop of her, and her father arrive in this moment , they kiss too. For me is about the only few good things in the movie .

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on June 15, 2003, 02:56:53 am

i likE tHe icE stOrM ;)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: dezloveselijah on June 15, 2003, 07:25:23 am

I didn't like the movie that much cos it was sooooo boring. Elijah looked sooo cute in the movie as usual..I like the part where hes about to take his jeans off and starts to unzips it, hehehe

and I can't believe he died in that movie.......that was sooo sad!! :'( :'(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Malli on June 15, 2003, 07:51:57 am

[quote author=dezlovesLIJ link=board=4;threadid=7645;start=0#msg203257 date=1055676323]
I didn't like the movie that much cos it was sooooo boring.

I like the part where hes about to take his jeans off and starts to unzips it, hehehe

and I can't believe he died in that movie.......that was sooo sad!! :'( :'(
[/quote]

Amen to every point :P

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: i_luv_lijah_always on June 15, 2003, 03:51:57 pm

i thought it was actually pretty good...... its really sad tho when he dieds! i cry everytime!! :'(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: ElwoodsBird on June 16, 2003, 11:22:15 am

Yea dude. It was al ittle boring. But I think it was a very sensual mature movie. You have to like those kinds of movies to like them. I guess you have to be in Psychology, or life studies to really get into it all and understand it.

I cried because he dieD. Christina Ricci is on my list btw.


Laura

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: noraloveslij on June 16, 2003, 06:04:00 pm

[quote]Posted by: ElwoodsBird Posted on: Today at 11:22:15am
Yea dude. It was al ittle boring. But I think it was a very sensual mature movie. You have to like those kinds of movies to like them. I guess you have to be in Psychology, or life studies to really get into it all and understand it.

I cried because he dieD. Christina Ricci is on my list btw.


[/quote] ;D I don't agree ,I think is just a matter of taste in movies, thats all, and really what did you mean, when you say understand it ? ???are you kidding isn't not like a difficult movie hon. ;) Is just boring for me.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: catharina on June 17, 2003, 08:30:42 am

[quote author=Elijah 017 link=board=4;threadid=7645;start=0#msg201613 date=1055545275]
I didn't like it very much either, and sometimes it was kind of boring.
But I agree that Elijah was good in that movie :)
[/quote]I totally agree with you

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: elijah_angel_19 on June 17, 2003, 04:46:25 pm

oh i saw like the last 40 min. of it on tv. i hated that he had died! but i may watch it though now!! hehe 8)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: ElwoodsBird on June 19, 2003, 12:15:33 am

[quote author=noraloveslij link=board=4;threadid=7645;start=0#msg205355 date=1055801040]
[quote]Posted by: ElwoodsBird Posted on: Today at 11:22:15am
Yea dude. It was al ittle boring. But I think it was a very sensual mature movie. You have to like those kinds of movies to like them. I guess you have to be in Psychology, or life studies to really get into it all and understand it.

I cried because he dieD. Christina Ricci is on my list btw.



[/quote] ;D I don't agree ,I think is just a matter of taste in movies, thats all, and really what did you mean, when you say understand it ? ???are you kidding isn't not like a difficult movie hon. ;) Is just boring for me.
[/quote]

Ok. I am not saying you have to be smart to like the movie dude! I am saying. I guess if you are the type of person, who are as you say, ok, if you are the type of person who has a taste in the kind of movies where you look into or can , Look into anodd social behavior this movie is for you. It isnt hard to undeerstnad. But people who like Phys. or Social programs, may like this movie.

Laura

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on June 19, 2003, 05:58:25 am

i likE iT ;)

°wOw, i mUSt bE sMaRt°

it'S gOoD, aNd cHriStiNa riCci iS pRettY.
liJ iS sO cUtE jUSt bEfOrE hE diEs, sLidiNg dOwN tHe rOaD ;)
aNd hiS 'mOlEcUlEs' sPeEcH. i lOvE thAt. itS mY fAvOuritE pArt.

iT wAs sO sAd wHeN hE diEd :'(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on June 19, 2003, 06:00:04 am

i likE thAt pArtY, wHeRe tHeY pUt tHeiR kEyS iN tHe bOwL ;)

aNd wHeN tHe mUm tRiEs sHoP-liFtiNg

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: noraloveslij on June 20, 2003, 04:50:52 pm

[quote]Posted by: ElwoodsBird Posted on: June 19, 2003, 12:15:33 AM

Quote from: noraloveslij on June 16, 2003, 06:04:00 PM

Quote:Posted by: ElwoodsBird Posted on: Today at 11:22:15am
Yea dude. It was al ittle boring. But I think it was a very sensual mature movie. You have to like those kinds of movies to like them. I guess you have to be in Psychology, or life studies to really get into it all and understand it.

I cried because he dieD. Christina Ricci is on my list btw.




I don't agree ,I think is just a matter of taste in movies, thats all, and really what did you mean, when you say understand it ? are you kidding isn't not like a difficult movie hon. Is just boring for me.


Ok. I am not saying you have to be smart to like the movie dude! I am saying. I guess if you are the type of person, who are as you say, ok, if you are the type of person who has a taste in the kind of movies where you look into or can , Look into anodd social behavior this movie is for you. It isnt hard to undeerstnad. But people who like Phys. or Social programs, may like this movie.

Laura
[/quote] ;D ok , I got your point , but I think is good to handle that way (boring) for tv shows ,but not for movies, it has interesting subjects but I don't like the way is portrate in the movie. I think people can make it better then that like American beauty is a good example don't you think? ???

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Seven on June 25, 2003, 01:27:48 am

I enjoyed this movie a great deal -- not merely Elijah's performance, but also actors like Sigourney Weaver and Kevin Kline, God bless 'em all. (Is it my imagination, or did Tobey Maguire look like he was having fun?)

The very gradual unfolding of the movie, the nuanced characterizations, the unspoken words under the friendly familial babble, and the confusion of kids under the un-watch of their hypocritical parents -- all of these were amazing. Ang Lee did a fantastic job with it.

Interestingly, this movie gave a bit of extra help to Elijah where LOTR was concerned -- Fran Walsh was a fan of his performance in it, PJ said.

I would hardly call it boring -- I didn't want to miss a single scene out of fear that something important would be missed. Watch the faces.

Title: the ice storm
Post by: elwood_girl14 on July 02, 2003, 11:45:16 am

Hello!

Today I was with my mum in the library and I was searching for a
Lij-movie. I remembered the name 'The Ice Storm' from somewhere on the internet and I found the movie.
But the back of the video said something about sex-revolution and stuff.. so uhm, I didn't take the video cause you never know what kinda movie it is, right? And mothers, you know... LOL

So, has anybody seen that movie and how is it?

xx, elwood_girl

p.s: I hope you understand what I'm talking about, my english ::)

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Hatice on July 02, 2003, 02:23:00 pm

From what I can remember, I think there is only one sex scene (if you can call it that) where Lij tries to have sexual intercourse while on top of Cristina, and fully clothed :P

If you want to talk about watching sex scenes with your mum, try watching Titanic, where Kate gets naked for Leo... while your whole family is in the room :o :P

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Gecko on July 02, 2003, 03:19:32 pm

I'ven't seen this movie yet coz they told me it's not too good and that Lij isn't too much in the movie, coz I'm still thinking if it's worth to buy or not?! ??? Give me an advice please.........
Hugs
Gecko :)

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Hatice on July 02, 2003, 04:49:33 pm

[quote author=Gecko link=board=4;threadid=8292;start=0#msg231687 date=1057173572]
I'ven't seen this movie yet coz they told me it's not too good and that Lij isn't too much in the movie, coz I'm still thinking if it's worth to buy or not?! ??? Give me an advice please.........
Hugs
Gecko :)
[/quote]

Rent it from the library..... ;)

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: magenta2004 on July 02, 2003, 09:18:43 pm

I've seen it, well most of it, and what I saw wasn't that bad. It really isn't a sex movie. But no, Elijah isn't in it that often :( However tobey Maguire is in it too ;)

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: horsewomanmmr on July 02, 2003, 09:47:28 pm

I have Ice Storm among my collection of DVD's. It is a very good movie, rated highly by the critics, but died at the box office.
Both Tobey Maquire and Lij are in it, and Lij plays a trouble teen, who
is finding out about sex from Christina Ricci. It is set in the Seventies when a lot of wife swapping was going on. Tobey's dad is doing the deed with Lij's mom (they are neighbors you know), so you get the general idea. No nudity, just under the covers humping, and the scene with Lij and Christina which is very short, and it's all suggestive.
Lij doesn't have a large part in it, but he is very cute, and his tale of molecules is funny. The end is very tragic however.
It has an R rating for language, sexual situations, and drug use.
If you are 16 or over you sure wouldn't see anything more than you see on NYPD Blue.
I enjoyed it very much. I bought it mostly because I am a huge fan of Tobey Maquire and Kevin Kline. Lij was an extra special bonus.

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: happy619 on July 02, 2003, 11:15:33 pm

i've seen part of it....it was kind of sad =/...

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: elwood_girl14 on July 03, 2003, 09:00:58 am

[quote author=Hatice link=board=4;threadid=8292;start=0#msg231587 date=1057170180]
From what I can remember, I think there is only one sex scene (if you can call it that) where Lij tries to have sexual intercourse while on top of Cristina, and fully clothed :P

If you want to talk about watching sex scenes with your mum, try watching Titanic, where Kate gets naked for Leo... while your whole family is in the room :o :P

[/quote]

lol, no I'm not going to try that!!!

thx!

xx, elwood_girl

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: elwood_girl14 on July 03, 2003, 09:03:40 am

thank you guys!
;D I'm gonna see it, I like Tobey too

xx, elwood_girl

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Grawsywoll on July 03, 2003, 01:57:43 pm

The film was CRAP! But i only watched it for the pure enjoyment of LIJ! ;D

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: dezloveselijah on July 04, 2003, 06:20:57 am

[quote author=Grawsywoll link=board=4;threadid=8292;start=0#msg233388 date=1057255063]
The film was CRAP! But i only watched it for the pure enjoyment of LIJ! ;D
[/quote]

I agree with you 100%..the movie was weird, boring, there was no real storyline but elijah looks really cute in it. I only taped the lij parts but didn't care about the rest

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: noraloveslij on July 04, 2003, 07:34:24 pm

[quote]Posted by: dezlovesLIJ Posted on: Today at 06:20:57am

Quote from: Grawsywoll on July 03, 2003, 01:57:43 PM
The film was CRAP! But i only watched it for the pure enjoyment of LIJ!


I agree with you 100%..the movie was weird, boring, there was no real storyline but elijah looks really cute in it. I only taped the lij parts but didn't care about the rest
[/quote] ;) Same here .

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Seven on July 16, 2003, 12:32:20 am

I thought "Ice Storm" was sheer brilliance. I don't tire of it.

I love the way that half the characterizations were in the script, and the rest was the cast taking their parts and running with them. Kevin Kline, Elijah and Sigourney Weaver are always amazing. (And I admit I have a soft spot for Tobey Maguire)

And it's an underappreciated art to have silence in movies, just to let the actors' faces show what's going on. And in scenes where the characters are speaking, they might as well be silent because their words have no meaning.

Title: Re:the ice storm
Post by: Serrelinda on July 16, 2003, 10:44:35 am

i also think 'the ice storm' is brilliant. it's definitely one of ang lee's finest films and all his actors give incredibly nuanced performances...with elijah's performance possibly the best, and certainly, IMHO, the best of his career so far. his character is completely bizarre and tragic and he inhabits it wholly. you might find the film boring because it's a character study, which is sometimes harder for people to sink their teeth into, but give it a chance...let its mood wash over you...feel how desperate each character is in their own way...and you'll see...

Title: The Ice Storm!
Post by: AmandaLovesElijah on September 01, 2003, 08:19:47 pm

i just rented this movie! and i liked it..altho the ending is rather sad..im not gonna tell ya wat happens! but lij is a very naughty boy in this movie! altho he kisses a girl which makes me quite mad!! but hey i liked it! anyone else see it?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm!
Post by: ElijahsSparkplug on September 01, 2003, 08:52:13 pm

Yeah, I have it. The whole mask thing is pretty kinky too.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm!
Post by: ElijahWoodLova9 on September 01, 2003, 09:01:06 pm

I watched it awile ago...sad i right! it was a wierd movie! christina ricci was even more nuaghty! I thought Tobey Magurie was FUNNY in the begining...when he askes katie holmes * i think* have you read the idiot...then on the stairs he says...IDIOT! LMAO!

Title: Re:The Ice Storm!
Post by: ElijahWoodLova9 on September 01, 2003, 09:02:38 pm

[quote author=JoelsRiotGirl link=board=4;threadid=10962;start=0#msg348541 date=1062463933]
Yeah, I have it. The whole mask thing is pretty kinky too.
[/quote]
LMAO!!! that was funny!!!!! ronald regan????

Title: Re:The Ice Storm!
Post by: ElijahsSparkplug on September 01, 2003, 09:52:47 pm

[quote author=~Lijs *Babies* Momma~ link=board=4;threadid=10962;start=30#msg348553 date=1062464558]
[quote author=JoelsRiotGirl link=board=4;threadid=10962;start=0#msg348541 date=1062463933]
Yeah, I have it. The whole mask thing is pretty kinky too.
[/quote]
LMAO!!! that was funny!!!!! ronald regan????
[/quote]

Oh, I wanted to say Richard Nixon...Lol.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: ElwoodsBird on September 02, 2003, 02:24:13 am

[quote author=frodolives link=board=4;threadid=3376;start=0#msg60122 date=1046906654]
I think that The Ice Storm is one of those movies where you'll either love or hate, depending on what you get out of it.

I think what people find weird about it is its so-called gratitious sex and drug-adling, as well as its seemingly slo-mo movement.

However, I think the whole point of the movie was essentially, to portray the workings of American suburbia in the 70's, in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

But this was only a setup. But what Ang Lee did in this movie was to give the audience a glimpse of two families. As the title suggests, the story is a cold one. It gives us the feeling of 'look but don't touch'.

The family members are disconnected. Although they are intimate physically with each other, it is obvious that mentally and emotionally, they are strangers. But that's the point - this movie portrays that nothing should substitute the human connection.

I think that although people might find Elijah's character Mikey, weird and disturbed, he is the pinnacle of what I thought was the main theme of the movie.

Mikey is spaced out, alienated, symbolizing how detached he is from everyone else (such as not even realizing that his father had left). He captures the theme perfectly when he talks to Sandy, his brother, about space and its dimensions... how we can only see space in our own heads. To me, this meant that everyone had a sort of barrier around themselves. Like in the scene where Mikey dry-humps Wendy, Wendy only does so with a Nixon mask... again, a barrier.

These people are afraid to connect with each other, other than mere physical contact. That's why the sex is mechanical and dry. Like the ice storm, which encases everything in ice, these characters are the same... as if they themselves have a layer of ice around them.

Of course, Mikey's death is a tragedy, a consequence of this human disconnection.

I think "The Ice Storm" was brilliant, very much in the same vein with "American Beauty" without the upbeat, and may have even acted as its predecessor. The cinematography, the top-notch screenplay, and acting showcases from everyone around made it one of my favorite films, even before I was into Elijah. (Actually, I watched it without knowing Elijah and Mikey was my favorite character so I guess it was meant to be :) )

Ang Lee has a talent for being a perfectionist. I find his incredible talent humbling, as he's able to jump from period to period with ease. (Think that his project before this movie was Sense and Sensibility).

The Ice Storm, I admit, is not an easy movie to watch. It's not a Hollywood movie, and it was never meant to be.

You might have been left dead in the cold by it, you might have been left empty...

But I think that was the point.
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I totally agree with you. I realy Do. I likeed this movie. I thought it was deep and goes into so much pyschological subjects!!!

I think you have to be interested in this kind of stuff to really like the movie.
No. you dont have to be smart ! You can be really smart and hate this movie. I think it depends on what you are interested in

Laura

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: susie_the_hobbit on January 10, 2004, 04:29:26 pm

When I first watched the movie I thought it was amazing. One of the main things that stood out to me was how ironic it was that that Elijah's character was practically the only one who wasn't sex or drug obsessed and he was the one who ended up dying at the end. I think that kind of reflects our culture in a way, how a lot of things happen in completely the wrong way.
Aside from that, I thought the film has an amazing script and I agree with Seven- about the meaning of silence being totally underestimated in some movies nowadays. A lot of directors think that if theres a lot of lines in a film, it will be good but sometimes silence can have a much longer lasting effect than any words can.
This is definetly one of the best movies Elijah's done, aside from LOTR of course and even though he didn't have a major part he brought himself over so well on the screen.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: cuina on January 11, 2004, 06:01:18 am

i agree with just about everything you say, but i don't think elijah did exceptionally well....

tobey did great, he seems to be made for this kind of movie. the mother (dunno her name anymore) was also very good.

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: susie_the_hobbit on January 11, 2004, 11:00:09 am

I didn't mean Elijah's acting was incredible, or that he brought a lot to the movie or whatever- just that it was one of the best films he's done in the sense that it has a great script and lots of other talented actors in it and the movie is just so great. Completely underrated, but I think Sigourney Weaver was nominated for an Oscar for her role as Mrs. Carver. She didn't get it though. ::)

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: octipunk on January 13, 2004, 06:19:28 pm

I love that movie...I had to stay up till 2:55 but I love it :)

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: frodomerrypip on January 14, 2004, 07:46:53 pm

that was a good movie...

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: Elena_Of_The_Stars on January 14, 2004, 08:23:47 pm

I thought it was a little strange and it was pretty akward watching it with my parents.... ::)

I definitely thought the families weren't acting like normal people, and I guess that was what you were supposed to think. And I was kind of grossed out by Christina Ricci's character, because she was "going at it" with both Mikey and his brother... eww.

I thought Tobey did a really good job though. I'm not so sure about Elijah. He didn't really have that huge of a part, so I can't really say he was that great in it. Plus, his hair and clothing made me laugh too much to take him very seriously!! Did they really dress like that at that time? :P

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: lij_girl on January 15, 2004, 09:53:08 am

i havent see that movie or i dont have it at home! its to bad that i cant buy it anymor at the videotheque i have the movies forever young and the faculty and the lort 1,2 at home and that are nice movies!!!

Title: Re:In Defense of "The Ice Storm"
Post by: nalathil on January 15, 2004, 06:55:54 pm

'The Ice Storm' is all about subtlety. If you haven't had much experience with film that isn't classified as 'Hollywood' I really don't think you will understand this one.

There are so many things I love about this film. Let's see... the relationships between Ben Hood/Janey Carver --- they are having an affair with each other. These two characters are the most sexually evolved ... they regard sex as play, and yet there is no passion or emotion between them.

Elena Hood/Jim Carver end up in a car after a party and the sex is less than spectacular ... and yet, you can feel their need, their desire. These characters are not able to express their sexuality, and don't find pleasure in it. They are too trapped in their shells to be able to enjoy the thrill of sex. It is an indicator that may start to lead the audience into understanding why these characters respective partners are having affairs in the first place.

Sex is a fundamental human need to be touched by another person, to feel love and warmth. However, in the film, touching is equated with naughtiness, with badness, it's deviant to want to touch or be touched. (Mikey and Wendy) It seems like the generation gap is made visible in the opposition of the parents and the children, and yet, everyone is so close to reaching out for each other but not quite making it in time.

It's a poignant film about an era long past. The '70's was a decade of innocence lost. There are consequences for failing to communicate with others, especially to those people that you love. It's the whole idea that 'love' isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. It's not 'happily ever after' and white castles. To be divorced in the '70's was to be stigmatized.

It's an intense film, and it's not for everyone. I think it requires a bit of life experience to be able to fully appreciate the layers of subtlety.

Title: The Ice Storm *SPOILERS*
Post by: sadieladie on April 14, 2004, 12:52:25 am

I watched the ice storm just a while ago, and found it to be a very thought provoking movie. (Though, I already expected just that after reading some reviews.)
I am curious of, to those of you who have seen it, what came to mind after watching the movie? I feel like I am pretty close to understanding the just of it, but there were some things I wasn't so clear of.
I noticed that the breaking of the ice cubes in the ice tray reoccured a few times throughout. What exactly was the significance of that action?
What was the significance of Mikie's (I think that is the name of Elijah's character) death? And the game played by all the adults at the dinner party...?!?
Again, I am only interested to hear your thoughts on this, so I can compare my own...Im just not sure exactly what it all ment.
Thank you! :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm *SPOILERS*
Post by: Boyd on April 14, 2004, 07:05:42 pm

I haven't seen that movie in a while! But, sorry to say . . . I didn't like it.

It didn't appeal to me at all. I think it was the whole cast thing and that it was an older movie. (dont get me wrong, I LOVE oldies, but this one was . . . different)


Although I do remember the cracking of the ice trays and was just as confused as you.

The game that they played was kind of dumb, but it is in a lot of older movies and books. I'm not sure why anyone would play that though. Don't you marry someone because you love them? Why would you swap keys and go sleep with someone else?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm *SPOILERS*
Post by: Person on April 14, 2004, 10:16:38 pm

Duuude I havn't seen that film for time.

To be honest, yeah it was thought provoking indeed, in fact too thought provoking for me, especially as my friend kept taaalking through it >:(. Anyway I did'nt really get it, but it was very good anyway. :P

Title: ~The Ice Storm~ Thread
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on February 25, 2005, 12:40:11 pm

I cant believe he died i cried so much i really liked him in that movie :'( :-[ i didnt know he died in it :'( :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Enara on February 25, 2005, 12:45:18 pm

Yes he does... and it is a pity but donīt forget to enjoy his amazing work playing that character... he is splendid and it is another good chance to be amused by his talent...

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Jenny Baggins on February 25, 2005, 01:14:33 pm

HE DIES!!! :o :'(
I haven't seen it yet OMG I'll cry so much when I do see it! :'( :P

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: duvetlover on February 25, 2005, 01:32:54 pm

I watched this the other day. Ang Lee is a genius. For a 15 year old Elijah put in one heck of a performance.

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: AnnieG on February 25, 2005, 01:40:20 pm

I've seen The Ice Storm more times than i care to remember and yet I still cry at the ending every time I watch it. Such behaviour for a grown woman. :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on February 25, 2005, 01:42:38 pm

yes he did do a good job he did a great job and he did really well playing that character i think thats why im so upset :'( :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: myFrodo on February 25, 2005, 02:00:34 pm

Maybe the movie is not good, I 've not seen yet. But according to your comments, Lij's work was excellent.

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Enara on February 25, 2005, 02:04:10 pm

The whole movie is worthy to see not just because Elijah is in it...Donīt miss the chance to enjoy it.

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: elijahs_girl on February 25, 2005, 02:11:28 pm

Right..I am going out to rent it now! Although...if he dies :'( I don't think I could handle it

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Jenny Baggins on February 25, 2005, 02:13:56 pm

[quote author=elijahs_girl link=board=1;threadid=25895;start=0#msg829356 date=1109358688]
Right..I am going out to rent it now! Although...if he dies :'( I don't think I could handle it
[/quote]
yeah I really want to see it but if he dies then ... :'(

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Sweetie on February 25, 2005, 03:32:27 pm

Yes,he dies in it,but in the rest of the movie he is so sweet and delivers a great performance.I like this movie,I actually bought it :) It's worth it just to see Elijah,he does it so well.I was quite shocked when he died 'cause I didn't know,and it was heartbreaking.My advice is:bring tissues!

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: crazyfankid15 on February 25, 2005, 04:12:13 pm

:'( He....he...dies? I haven't seen it yet,but when I do,I'll make sure to have a box of tissues next to me. :'(

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(**spoiler warning**
Post by: chibi-lij on February 25, 2005, 05:51:24 pm

[quote author=elijahfrodo1990 link=board=1;threadid=25895;start=0#msg829283 date=1109353211]
I cant believe he died i cried so much i really liked him in that movie :'( :-[ i didnt know he died in it :'( :-[
[/quote]

you should put a spoiler warning on this post sweetie for the people who haven't seen it yet. ;)

i love the ice storm. that and rings i think are his best movie choices. i think lij is very proud of his performance and working with that director and those actors. at least that how it seems when he talks about it.

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Blue Star on February 25, 2005, 07:33:22 pm

How does he die? I'm sorry, but just wondering. ;)
I might want to watch it for Elijah's performance, and if the movie's really good too then all the more to see it!

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on February 25, 2005, 08:55:07 pm

:'( :-[ Mickey was in fascination with 'molecules' and went out late at night during an ice storm and fatally electrocuted by a fallen electric pole :'( :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: stumbleine on February 25, 2005, 10:08:53 pm

I tried to tape it, but stupidly I put in the wrong end time on the VCR! It goes blank after Wendy and Mark's brother get into bed together ::) but I have seen the ending (I caught the tail end on TV before) and I really like the way his character dies. Probably because of what he said about the molecules before he went out. His report for school on them was hilarious :P

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: TotalGeek on February 25, 2005, 10:19:39 pm

Oh, I know I watched it a few weeeks ago. I was so mad.

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Emmi on February 26, 2005, 01:08:23 am

I knew that he dide in the movie, but I didn't know when (I was bracing for it the whole movie) ::)
but when he died I didn't cry... not until he is brought back to his family, and you realise that they have had no idea that their son has been dead all night.
then the tears started flowing :'(

Its quite a powerful preformance from everyone

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on February 26, 2005, 02:21:23 am

[quote][quote]I knew that he dide in the movie, but I didn't know when (I was bracing for it the whole movie)
but when he died I didn't cry... not until he is brought back to his family, and you realise that they have had no idea that their son has been dead all night.
then the tears started flowing[/quote][/quote]

:'( :-[ ya same for me i braced myself but i cried it that part too :'( :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Sweetie on February 26, 2005, 01:49:56 pm

I just think they way he dies is terrible.I don't like that scene.The guy finds him and carries him home.The worst thing is that at the same time he dies his mother goes to bed,knowing nothing about that her sun is killed out in the rain. :'(

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on February 26, 2005, 01:53:41 pm

:'( :-[ i know that is sad :'( :-[

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Jenny Baggins on February 26, 2005, 02:01:01 pm

I really want to see this film!
It sounds so sad!

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: kelsey_wood09 on February 27, 2005, 07:22:00 pm

Yeah i went to the movie store place and was looking for that movie..why i have NO idea, but i didn't see it..i guess i'll have to try somewhere else! ::)

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Etaeb OLC on March 01, 2005, 07:52:14 am

I just love the film. Yes its very sad the way he dies. I also cried. :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: melon01 on March 01, 2005, 08:27:47 am

It is a fantastic film. Elijah is fantastic too!!!

:)

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Hang10 on March 01, 2005, 12:37:13 pm

It was a wonderfully made movie, but i've only seen it twice because the plot of the movie is so SAD!! :'( I was suprised to hear it was made in Connecticut. I wonder if it was filmed there, i live there! :D

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: LouiseluvsElijah on March 01, 2005, 12:56:48 pm

I think this movie sounds interesting, but I don't want to watch Elijah die, it would be painfull. :( :'(

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: magicdancer on March 01, 2005, 10:04:39 pm

This is a wonderful, very adult movie and well worth seeing even if Elijah weren't in it. It's the first of his films where (to me at least) he seems more grown up. I've watched it too many times to keep track of. ::)

Title: Re:i just saw the ice storm :^(
Post by: Joanie on March 01, 2005, 11:50:14 pm

Excellent movie!! I was sad that Elijah's character died at the end though. All in all, a great flick. I watched it about 4 times!

Title: The Ice Storm
Post by: Sabine on April 11, 2005, 05:58:58 pm

Sorry, if there is already a thread, but I could not find it. I want to order Doms "Spivs" at Amazon and thinking about ordering also the "Ice storm", because there are very good reviews. But I read the book during my holidays and I have to confess, that there was NO character, that I liked. As I know, Lijah plays Mike, who dies :-[
I also think, that S. Weaver and K. Kline are very good actors, but the book depressed me.
So, please can anybody tell me, if its worth?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: xLaurax on April 11, 2005, 06:01:12 pm

I didn't really like it.

It was quite boring really and....just didn't really have a good story.

Although you know, everyone to their own. ;)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: magicdancer on April 11, 2005, 07:06:27 pm

Basically, it's the story of two dysfunctional families. If you have read the book, Sabine, then you know that. It's an intense movie, rather dark, excellent character development, and extremely well acted. I think it's worth seeing just for the wonderful acting by the entire cast. Elijah is good, as he always is, as a young teen who feels kind of lost. Is there some way you could rent it first? Then you could decide if you want to buy it.?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on April 11, 2005, 10:42:39 pm

I quite liked it, I guess. I think it's worth seeing, but I don't know about buying it. :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Joanie on April 12, 2005, 12:16:04 am

The movie is kind of dark, but I enjoyed it. I think it would be worth trying to either take out at the library or rent it first.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Galadriel OLC on April 12, 2005, 02:31:47 am

[quote author=Joanie link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=0#msg857694 date=1113279364]
The movie is kind of dark, but I enjoyed it. I think it would be worth trying to either take out at the library or rent it first.
[/quote]

That is what I would suggest too. I enjoyed it too and I liked Elijah in this movie even if the end is so sad :D

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Cristiel on April 12, 2005, 02:42:48 am

I loved the movie, it's definitely one of the best acting jobs that Elijah has done.

It's a very simple film, no special effects, just acting. That makes it so impressing for me. The acting is just amazing.

I can understand people find it boring or depressing, I guess you really have to adore film before you can appreciate something like "The Ice Storm".

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: magicdancer on April 12, 2005, 02:57:59 am

I'm one of the ones who "adore" it, Cristiel. It's full of actors I love, including, of course, Lij. ;)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: duvetlover on April 12, 2005, 03:30:33 am

I thought it was great and intense. Both Lij and Christina Ricci are really good. Plus its Ang Lee whose style is wonderful. There is a haunted beauty to it, but it isn't happy :'(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Mazzy on April 12, 2005, 04:53:00 am

[quote author=duvetlover link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=0#msg857747 date=1113291033]
There is a haunted beauty to it, but it isn't happy :'(
[/quote]

It is dark and moving in a sad way, but I find it worth watching. It is full of great actors and the director does a terrific job.
Maybe you could rent it or get it on loan from the library first to see if you like it. :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Sabine on April 12, 2005, 05:56:16 am

Thanks for your answers and help!
At the moment it has very special price at amazon in UK, I see this as a "sign" :D and will order it.
Normally I like those films with only good acting and directing and less or no special effects. It is always interesting to see what an actor can do without hiding behind technology and special effects.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: magicdancer on April 12, 2005, 12:35:38 pm

No special effects in this one. Just great acting, direction and script. Go for it!

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Jenny Baggins on April 13, 2005, 02:52:34 pm

I just bought it today and I didn't know he died! :o :'(
aww how am i ment to watch it is it a horrile death and is it not a good film ?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: magicdancer on April 13, 2005, 09:34:53 pm

[quote author=Jenny Baggins link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=0#msg858478 date=1113418354]
I just bought it today and I didn't know he died! :o :'(
aww how am i ment to watch it is it a horrile death and is it not a good film ?
[/quote]
No, Jenny, it is not a horrible death at all. But it is sad, of course. You can handle it.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: uwaya on April 14, 2005, 07:30:11 am

[quote author=Cristiel link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=0#msg857742 date=1113288168]
It's a very simple film, no special effects, just acting. That makes it so impressing for me. The acting is just amazing.

I can understand people find it boring or depressing, I guess you really have to adore film before you can appreciate something like "The Ice Storm".
[/quote]

I totally agree with you - the music is really simple - there's nothing epic or overly dramatic about it. I found it a really beautiful film, and was really impressed by the acting, the cinematograohy and the amazing direction.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Sabine on April 14, 2005, 11:05:34 am

Most of the people, who have seen it, are very impressed by the acting and directing.
I was so depressed, when I read the book, because all the people were so selfish, frustrated and unhappy. And Mikes death was so senseless. :'(
I have ordered the DVD now and I am very excited watching it.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Jenny Baggins on April 14, 2005, 02:27:23 pm

aaaw watched it last night :'( it was so sad !poor Mickey! :(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: jennilisanne on April 16, 2005, 03:01:48 am

I cried like a b!tch when Mikey died, and the sympathy I got... "You should have been doing your work"!!!

My friend came round the other day and saw it in my bookcase and said, "I only know two people who have that film, you and me!" I'm glad other people know it!!

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: elijahfrodo1990 on April 16, 2005, 03:05:23 am

I cry everytime I see Mikey die :'( but Elijah's acting was so good in the movie I can't help but watch it again :-[

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on November 03, 2005, 11:59:43 am

Finally, I've found the 'Ice Storm' thread. Somehow the search function kept hiding it from me. ???

Anyway, I've seen this movie for the first time last week and ever since I'm in a "Have you seen this film and would like to comment on it?"-mood.

There are many different types of movies. Some make you happy, some sad, some scare you or make you think. This one has, if you allow it, a great potential to make you sad and angry and to make you think.

Sad, because everybody, every single character in it hurts. They hurt in very different ways, but still they all hurt. In my opinion it is basically a movie about pain. And about confusion... I think all the main characters are also more or less confused, about themselves (growing up and sexuality), others (relationships or the lack thereof) and society in general (the key party and Nixon come to mind).
This is where the angry part joins in. The parents are all quite self-absorbed, selfish and irresponsible. They live in their own world with many "important" things. At many occasions during the movie you wouldn't even believe they had children. The same is true for the children. They, too, live in their own world with their own rules and at many occasions during the movie you wouldn't believe they actually had parents. >:( Everyone is fairly detached and because of this many, many things go so horribly wrong.

I think this is why many people don't like the movie. This shouldn't be!!! But it is... and sadly, there are many dysfunctional families out there.
People, who find it boring, are probably not interested in films with character development and intriguing relationships, but prefer more action obviously. In the "Ice Storm" the "action" is very subtle. Quite often you have to feel or guess what people are feeling/thinking and why they do whatever they do. If this doesn't come to you easily and you don't want to do a lot of brainwork, this film is not for you. Watch something less demanding instead.
Most actors and actresses deliver a good to brilliant performance, at least for me. And the fact, that it has some actors I really admire, serves for a few additional brownie points. :)

I especially liked the music. I cherish flutes! The composer did a fine job by not overloading the pictures - kudos to the director as well. The whole film could have been ruined by overdoing it. Nevertheless, there were several impressive, even haunting scenes. For example when Ben (Kline) carried his daughter Wendy (Ricci) back home after the incident involving the Nixon mask. She clinged to him like a monkey child to a parent, seeking protection and comfort. I could see that she was after all a confused teenager, utterly unsure of herself and what's happening to her. That Ben was able to give and understood, was very touching.

I liked the beautifully odd colors throughout. They also added to the (early) seventies feel.
The scene with Mikey on the bike going after Wendy was priceless. :D

I won't go on a rant about all the characters now (I'm impressed, if you've read this far). I don't know how many people can relate to the characters properly. Lots of things they do don't make them very likeable. But I could actually relate very well to one character.
Being a HSP (highly sensitive person) I also was 'out of it' as a child and even more as a teenager. I could totally understand what Mikey was rambling about before heading out into the storm. It made perfect sense! And the thoughts on that molecules report are not completely absurd to me, I've thought about stuff like that. "You were gone?" could have been straight from my mouth. Wandering about alone in a storm was also something I would do (to get away from a dysfunctional family and to feel something simple).

Wow! Never thought a movie review could turn into my coming-out as a weirdo. ;D Anyway, one big difference between the children in the film and myself, I had absolutely no interest in fooling around and doctor games. Not all dysfunct families turn you into a premature nymph. I was innocent as can be. Try twenty-three... ;D

Amazing that this movie was rated R in the US - maybe because of the topic. It is free for over twelve year olds here.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Enara on November 03, 2005, 12:24:56 pm

[color=Blue]Waw... That is a really good review, doremi. I am so impressed!!!

I watched the film for the first time some years ago and obviously it didnīt let me indifferent. As youīve said it makes you think, and that is something I love about movies. It is amazing when a story is able to move something inside you. And this is a very touching story.

The atmosphere is quite confusing and hard to see the decisions the different characters take about their lives...

The cast performance is brilliant, I agree with you. Kevin Kline has always been one of my favourite actors, and on this movie, his acting is great.
All these characters are lost, in my opinion. They all are looking for something. Some know what it is but donīt know how to get it and others havenīt even found out what it is...

Great movie!!! I can understand so easily why it is one of Elijahīs favourite... He must be very proud of being a part of it and specially because his performance is amazing.[/color]

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on November 03, 2005, 01:21:43 pm

[quote author=Enara link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=15#msg934523 date=1131038696]
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All these characters are lost, in my opinion. They all are looking for something. Some know what it is but donīt know how to get it and others havenīt even found out what it is...
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The Ice Storm boiled down to three sentences. You're absolutely right, Enara! "Lost"... that attribute had escaped me. :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Enara on November 03, 2005, 01:28:23 pm

[color=Blue]Thank you, doremi!! You are so nice.
But your review is brilliant!!!
It has encouraged me to write down my own opinion. [/color] :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Caz on November 03, 2005, 02:31:16 pm

[color=Blue]Doremi, your review is brilliant, I agree with Enara! You really nailed the subject matter of the movie, and pin pointed all the important points. And so did you Enara! The Ice Storm is also one of my favourite movies - such gems as the Ice Storm are rare..! :-*

The film contains a warning - wake up before it's too late. Spend time with your husband, wife, son, daughter and talk to them. Ask them how they are... etc. None of the characters do that.[/color]

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on November 03, 2005, 02:52:59 pm

Awww, girls! Now I'm embarrassed... :-[ Thanks! :-* I've never written such a lengthy review.

You're right, Carina. The Ice Storm is a warning. Maybe that's also why some people don't like it. Who welcomes warnings easily? After a closer look they might find themselves concerned as well. Maybe at a different level, but still... threatened by gust of unecessary coldness. :-\

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Caz on November 03, 2005, 03:04:36 pm

[color=Blue]You're good at writing reviews, maybe you've discovered a hidden talent of yours. ;)

I agree, it's easier to watch fluffy movies that don't have a message, than something that tells the truth. And maybe some people cannot face this movie because they see something of a character in themselves but they'd rather not see it.

Just guesswork though. Maybe there are people who don't like the movie for the simple reason that they think it's boring (which it isn't of course).

:)[/color]

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on November 03, 2005, 03:08:27 pm

[quote author=Carina link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=15#msg934604 date=1131048276]
[color=Blue]Just guesswork though. Maybe there are people who don't like the movie for the simple reason that they think it's boring (which it isn't of course).

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All overfed on the hyperstimulating stuff we get served these days. ;D

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Caz on November 03, 2005, 03:32:27 pm

Uh huh, you can say that again! ::) ;D

Title: The Ice Storm
Post by: elijahsgirl84 on November 14, 2005, 10:37:22 pm

I feel so terrible for saying this, but I think The Ice Storm was flat out horrible. These words are very difficult to say because I generally love every project that Elijah is/was apart of. The movie was very boring and had an overall blah feeling. I kept waiting for it to get more emotional and intense, but what emotion was in there was very dry. I just bought this movie and I had high expectations, and I was very disappointed in the outcome. Also, the movie didn't feature his true acting talent. I feel absolutely guilt ridden by criticizing anything involved with Elijah, but I don't think it showcased his brilliant ability as an actor.
Does anyone agree with me on this?

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: deenan on November 15, 2005, 12:15:45 am

well, not everyone is going to like this kind of movie, and you have every right not to like it.

i liked it. i thought elijah and everyone showed just the right type of acting for the theme of this movie. elijah played an out-of-sorts kind of kid. not in his head. sort of not there. and i think he was perfect in showing that.

i think it must be difficult to portray someone so closed off from the world, and mikey was just that. lij showed it again in EII, but that character finally opened up. mikey never got that chance.

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Elijahs Impact on November 15, 2005, 04:51:37 pm

I am ashamed to say, I have not seen this film.
:-[
*hangs head in shame*

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on November 15, 2005, 09:22:38 pm

It's awesome. I reccommend you check it out when you can! :)

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Etaeb OLC on November 16, 2005, 11:28:35 am

I love the Ice Storm. :P :P :P

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on November 16, 2005, 02:36:55 pm

[quote author=Etaeb OLC link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=30#msg939476 date=1132158515]
I love the Ice Storm. :P :P :P[/quote]

Sorry for asking, but the "tongue"ies are confusing me. Do you mean that ironically or seriously? ???

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Karin Woywod on December 04, 2005, 12:29:05 pm

[quote author=doremi77 link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=15#msg934514 date=1131037183]
Finally, I've found the 'Ice Storm' thread. Somehow the search function kept hiding it from me. ???

[SNIP]

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[color=Red]Same here, doremi ! It only turned out the right thread when I was trying to look for "Ricci" instead !

I've just had exactly the same "revelation" you had had, doremi, because I finished watching "The Icestorm" for the very first time a mere hour ago !

Here's an interesting quote I've found in some of the reviews I searched for immediately afterwards :

http://www.filmvault.com/filmvault/boston/i/icestormthe1.html (http://www.filmvault.com/filmvault/boston/i/icestormthe1.html)
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[quote]

Mostly, though, it was by relating to the characters that Lee was able to get in tune. "I felt close to Mikey, the spaced-out kid. I remember directing Elijah Wood and saying, 'Your speech is not right, it's too clear, too articulated. You're two seconds behind everyone. Try to loosen up here a little bit, let your jaw slacken when you talk.' And he got the idea right away.

"That was me as a kid. I was very spaced out. My feet barely touched the ground. So I related to him.
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[color=Red]I really liked this quiet little movie ! It made me cry, but astonishingly enough, not during Mikey's death scene, . . .

( - well I yelled something out like "-Christ!"" and then I had to swallow . . .)

. . . but instead at the very end when the whole Hood family had assembled in that car and just silently looked at each other.

You know what ? I am really grateful to Elijah, that he "makes" me to seek out all these little (?) movies I had never heard of. Although, when I mentioned my new "Elijah infatuation" ;D to my best friend, she immediately recommended "The Ice Storm" and his role to me. So he seemed to have left an impression there even onto "non-Elijah-interested" people ! ! !

However, although Elijah has some very fine moments here, it's NOT his movie, and forgive me, but I think, even Tobey Maguire plays a more important role for the whole story here, than Elijah does.

I think doremi has already said it all in her very good review, and I can't really add anything here.

It's amazing, how stale and frozen the "relationships" / connections between the characters are, be it adult ones or teen ones. Hey ! These are supposed to be the colourful, mind-expanding, liberal Seventies ! Yet it seems like everyone is "forced" to undergo these wild experiments, and nobody is having any fun at all.

Maybe it's because there's not a lot of "heart" involved in here at all.

And I don't want to sound prudish here, but maybe, SOMEWHERE among all these one-night-st... (am I allowed to write something like this here ?) and these emotionally detached sexual experiences, it would be good to add a little emotion / attachment / affection / involvement / love, whatever you may call it !

Well, when I was a teen, my father had become used to our family life so much, that he took everything for granted, and used it just as a comfortable place to come home to. He wasn't cruel or drinking or anything, he just didn't feel any real love for my mother or us children. And then he started cheating on my mother . . .

- Well, my mother tried to keep the family together, so they weren't divorced until I was well out of the house and had my own life, but maybe this is why I see the moral of this film in being that the families should stick together a lot more than they do.

Also I think, the story between "Wendy Hood" and "Mikey Carver" would have run a lot smoother as well if there had been any real teenage love involved.

Now to Elijah : He's doing a very fine acting job here. Once again, he's playing an outsider, yet an outsider who has assimilated that well that even his parents hardly notice at all. I think this character is not easy to portray, Mikey's all the time just SLIGHTLY off the mark ! Having said that, we all knew kids like this at school, and in fact even I might have had SOME of the character traits in common with Mikey during my school days . . .

He seems to inhabit a world of his own, full with his own home-made fears and inhibitions, but also full of beautiful things we might never notice in passing them !

And, as a female viewer, although in this role, he's far too young for my liking, you feel attracted to him :-* , although, as a very quiet character, he has to express so much on the strength of his facial expressions, body language and gestures alone ! ! !

And we all know how good he is in that, don't we ladies ? Having said that, for a lad being merely 15/16 years old at the time of the shooting, it's quite an achievement, isn't it ? So hats off to Elijah :) , though he doesn't "make" the movie, at least not this time !

And now, for me, it's on to the next Elijah DVD - I think I choose "Ash Wednesday" (yeah, I know, a stark contrast !) . . .

Love,

- Karin.


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Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on December 04, 2005, 04:29:51 pm

I'm glad you liked my review, Karin! Welcome to A&F by the way! I actually was about to send you a welcoming PM yesterday. Now I'll do that here. It's nice to have you around. :)

Thank you for the link. I enjoyed reading that. I didn't know that Lee also relates to Mikey. ;)

What you had the say about the relationships of the characters was very interesting and true. I agree. Like you I think Elijah's performance was outstanding.

And I also cried hardest in the end when the Hoods are all in the car. When Mikey was electroshocked, I didn't cry - I was shocked, too, somehow. I was totally caught in the mood of the scenes before and felt the joy and relief Mikey was experiencing in the storm. Even when he sat down to watch the trees and then the power cable, I was like "ohh... that's fascinating... nice sparkles... beautiful" and then suddenly realizing "uh-oh... this could be kinda dangerous... s***!" and I grabbed the couch stiffening when... you know. I can't tell if I was mirroring Mikey or it was my own thoughts at the scene! Scary! :o I really get lost in moments, my head or the environment sometimes (I guess that's the spaced out part of me ;D I won't even describe what's going on when I watch e.g. the Shelob/Frodo scene).
Anyway, that was some acting IMHO! But however, from this moment on, well... I'm a terrible crybaby. :'(

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: Karin Woywod on December 04, 2005, 06:14:54 pm

[quote author=doremi77 link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=30#msg948563 date=1133731791]
I'm glad you liked my review, Karin! Welcome to A&F by the way! I actually was about to send you a welcoming PM yesterday. Now I'll do that here. It's nice to have you around. :)[/quote]

[color=Red]Hi Doremi,

Thanks for your kind words. I am beginning to like it here. The people are really nice, hospitable and outgoing here :-* ( and a lot more mature than in other places ;) )[/color]

[quote author=doremi77 link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=30#msg948563 date=1133731791]
I also cried hardest in the end when the Hoods are all in the car. When Mikey was electroshocked, I didn't cry - I was shocked, too, somehow. I was totally caught in the mood of the scenes before and felt the joy and relief Mikey was experiencing in the storm. Even when he sat down to watch the trees and then the power cable, I was like "ohh... that's fascinating... nice sparkles... beautiful" and then suddenly realizing "uh-oh... this could be kinda dangerous... s***!" and I grabbed the couch stiffening when... you know. I can't tell if I was mirroring Mikey or it was my own thoughts at the scene! Scary! :o I really get lost in moments, my head or the environment sometimes (I guess that's the spaced out part of me ;D I won't even describe what's going on when I watch e.g. the Shelob/Frodo scene).
Anyway, that was some acting IMHO! But however, from this moment on, well... I'm a terrible crybaby. :'(
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[color=Red]Wow ! That's exactly what happened to me. I was happy to see that at least one character was getting something "good" out of this icestorm.

Well, to be honest, I am a little bit like that myself, in that I can enjoy aspects of nature (this could even be nasty weather, like rain pouring down, or lightning and thunder [the latter preferably from the inside, though ;)]), and just indulge in the sheer beauty of it. So, every time even before that scene, I was feeling like Mikey whenever the pictures of the icicles or the frosted leaves and trees came up. I said to myself : "Wow, how beautiful that looks ! I wish I would see something like that myself !"

So when that scene of Mikey "frolicking" in the icestorm began, I really could relate to that (well, minus the diving board bit, maybe). You know what ? I'm doing quite a lot of "getting into a character" as well, whenever I am watching a movie, so part of me was indeed old Karin rejoicing in that crystal world that had been created overnight, and another part of me was Mikey, the way he in his usual isolation must have felt, in a place so pure and clean, like a world created by God especially for him, so he could find some relief there ! And, like you said, there I was, still being elated from the spirit of this place and of its endless opportunities for playing around, when I noticed the cable and suddenly the potential danger hit me ! However, I wasn't aware that Mikey's hands were placed on that guard rail / crash barrier, so I thought him safe for the time being, unless he was as unwise as to approach the darn thing. So it hit me very unexpectedly and I was truly shocked !

Later, I thought, what a horrible dead - being electrocuted (I guess, he was still living after the electrical shock) and then freezing to death while lying unconscious on the ground . . . ! *shudder* :( :'(

Of course, I still had some hope for him, when Ben approached him - I thought maybe Ben could give him the "kiss of life" or something, but then I noticed that there were no "breathing clouds" in front of Mikey's face, and from Ben's reaction I gathered that Mikey's body temperature must have had already the same level as the surrounding scenery - really sad !

Anyway, thanks for your words, and I think the two of us are totally in synch here : the way you saw that movie, the way I saw that movie.

By the way, I have finished "Ash Wednesday" half an hour ago - another tragic ending, but in such a different field / even "league" I'd say . . .

Good night (it's 14 minutes past midnight local time),

- Karin.[/color]

Title: Re:The Ice Storm
Post by: doremi77 on December 05, 2005, 05:03:22 am

[quote author=Karin Woywod link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=30#msg948615 date=1133738094]
Later, I thought, what a horrible dead - being electrocuted (I guess, he was still living after the electrical shock) and then freezing to death while lying unconscious on the ground . . . ! *shudder* :( :'([/quote]

:o My goodness! I didn't think about it that way. To me it was rather a "fair" death. It's over very quickly, because a small current suffices to make your heart stop instantly and overload your nerves (I guess this part could be painful though, if you're not killed by the first shockwave that runs through your body :(). And Mikey was so happy before that. Only in the split-second before it happened, did he somewhat realize the danger, I think.

[quote author=Karin Woywod link=board=4;threadid=26553;start=30#msg948615 date=1133738094]
Anyway, thanks for your words, and I think the two of us are totally in synch here : the way you saw that movie, the way I saw that movie.[/quote]

:)


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