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Title: Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Lorienel on November 15, 2008, 01:40:55 am

What do you think of the LotR fans studying languages invented by Tolkien?

There are seven known languages: quenya, sindarin, noldorin, westron, rohirric, dwarvish and black speech. Two first are the two main elf languages and he developed them far enough for a certain kind of communication. They are even taught in university somewhere around UK. Also in internet you find some really useful tools, if you know where to find them.

I think that for many LotR fans learning is part of the fun - they like exploring the other books, finding answers, so why not also the languages? Artificially made language has been in use and popular at least once before (in Europe).

What would be a no is that many people don't use it. That's why learning them has not much use in real life. But by that you can be sure that you can spend time with people of similar interests. Elvish has also certain kind of aura - even if you don't understand the meaning, it sounds very beautiful and mysterious to your ear.

I say let them study if they want to. :) But you can tell your opinion.

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: maryd on November 15, 2008, 06:38:46 am

I think it's kind of cool that people learn the languages Tolkien invented. the man himself was a great linguist - didn't he speak about 20 languages? - and I guess learning the languages is a fun hobby. :)

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on November 15, 2008, 07:13:24 am

Mae govannen Lorie! ;)

I used to think that ppl who got so "involved" with fantasy universes must be either complete nutjobs or obsessive "geeks"... but now I must admit that I am one of them. :-[ Even though I can't claim to have officially "studied" Sindarin and the like, I've found myself becoming a little too familiar with some Elvish phrases and "Tolkien-speak" due to the amount of time I've spent reading LOTR, The Silmarrilion, books about Tolkien and visiting various web-sites!

The Professor certainly knew how to use the English language, and his invented Elvish languages in particular are just beautiful and melodic to listen to!

So I say, if that's what floats your boat - go for it! ;D

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: elizabeth coffey on November 16, 2008, 12:16:09 am

I think it's awesome the fans learning all the different languages of Tolkien. Though I won't I like writing Elvish though :D

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Lorienel on November 16, 2008, 02:22:23 am

[quote author=Peony Gamgee link=board=3;threadid=33540;start=0#msg1171011 date=1226812569]
I think it's awesome the fans learning all the different languages of Tolkien. Though I won't I like writing Elvish though :D
[/quote]

Yes, writing in elvish alphabet is it's own chapter. But I got to admit that it's very ornamental and pleases the eye. :)

But learning languages might take you to surprising conclusions of the history of Middle-Earth though. Hobbits have had their own language, but it died and all was left of it was a handful of words. And they are known in Rohan.

King Théoden knew how to call hobbits with their own language ("holbytlan"). And like it was'nt enough, tales of hobbits are well known in Rohan though all of rohirrim don't believe in them. It's actually funny to see how casual Théoden and Merry are with each other when they first meet. :D

The hobbits moved from South to North and the rohirrim from North to South so maybe their roads crossed? The king thinks it's funny how hobbit language has "changed", though hobbits have replaced it almost entirely with westron, which is the "english" of Middle-Earth, very common spoken.

Makes you wonder that how did the hobbits and the rohirrim meet earlier and when. This is why I love studying Middle-Earth. New views open up all the time. Just when you thought you knew enough... lol.

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: chuckie3d on November 16, 2008, 08:19:24 am

[quote author=~*Lorie*~ link=board=3;threadid=33540;start=0#msg1170936 date=1226731255]
What do you think of the LotR fans studying languages invented by Tolkien?
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Although the extent of my Tolkien knowledge begins & ends with the LOTR books and the Hobbit, there are a lot of people that have read all of Tolkien's works and his biographies and are considered experts in that field.

I must say that when I read and come across an unfamiliar word I usually look it up in the dictionary but I also want to know how it's pronounced. So to take it one step further is to explore it's origin but I've rarely done or wanted to do anything about that but I admire people that develop that level of interest. I found this link which shows how widespread interest is in this area.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/tolkien.html

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: maryd on November 18, 2008, 03:48:32 pm

Lorie, you talked about the links between Rohan and the hobbits, and of course this is part of Tolkien's genius - this happened in our world, it is so clever of him to have invented his own world and his own languages and his own history. For me, all this is as least half the magic of LOTR.

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Lorienel on November 18, 2008, 06:53:51 pm

[quote author=maryd link=board=3;threadid=33540;start=0#msg1171074 date=1227041312]
Lorie, you talked about the links between Rohan and the hobbits, and of course this is part of Tolkien's genius - this happened in our world, it is so clever of him to have invented his own world and his own languages and his own history. For me, all this is as least half the magic of LOTR.
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I know that well. :) In Middle-Earth so many things are connected though, you might have no idea where in that world it takes your attention next. There are not only open references, but little codes and it's fun to solve them.

Not to mention that it's actually pretty healthy for your brain. Keeps your imagination going.

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Billswife on February 08, 2009, 12:08:13 am

I can't say I can understand dedicating extensive time to studying Sindarin ect, but I always found it a riot to know a few imaginary words.
There was an especially funny episode of Frasier where he accidentally gave a speech entirely in Klingon! ;D

One author's creativity I've noticed can inspire anothers. :)

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Hobbitsan on February 08, 2009, 07:13:07 am

i wouldnt study it as a subject at uni as i think thats a tad extreme as its not a major language that alot of people know how to use. But i have learned some of it for my own personal use, i love how some of the words sound when spoken, thus when im angry i usually i go into some elvish to make it sound cheery hehe. i know how to write some black speech and dwarvish but dont ask me to write a full sentence! ;)
When reading any of the tolkien books cover to cover you cant help but get these lessons in the languages of the cultures of Middle Earth; thats why i love the books! they are so in-depth

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: jen10 on February 08, 2009, 03:17:43 pm

[quote author=Danny~desu link=board=3;threadid=33540;start=0#msg1175113 date=1234095187]
i wouldnt study it as a subject at uni as i think thats a tad extreme as its not a major language that alot of people know how to use. But i have learned some of it for my own personal use, i love how some of the words sound when spoken, thus when im angry i usually i go into some elvish to make it sound cheery hehe. i know how to write some black speech and dwarvish but dont ask me to write a full sentence! ;)
When reading any of the tolkien books cover to cover you cant help but get these lessons in the languages of the cultures of Middle Earth; thats why i love the books! they are so in-depth
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cool, that is wicked! dwarvish and elvish sound like awesome lang. i don't really know any other lang. other than english...but i can say hi in spanish! ;D haha.

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: Billswife on February 10, 2009, 01:17:36 am

[quote author=Danny~desu link=board=3;threadid=33540;start=0#msg1175113 date=1234095187]
i wouldnt study it as a subject at uni as i think thats a tad extreme as its not a major language that alot of people know how to use. But i have learned some of it for my own personal use, i love how some of the words sound when spoken, thus when im angry i usually i go into some elvish to make it sound cheery hehe. i know how to write some black speech and dwarvish but dont ask me to write a full sentence! ;)
When reading any of the tolkien books cover to cover you cant help but get these lessons in the languages of the cultures of Middle Earth; thats why i love the books! they are so in-depth
[/quote]

LOL Danny..there sure are alot of times when the speech of Mordor would come in handy ;D

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: elijah fan on December 03, 2009, 10:53:34 pm

Hi, I just wanted to say, I learned how to write in elvish alphabet, and I think it's actually easier than speaking it. It is very beautiful and ornamental. I'm tryin to learn to speak Sindarin but it's quite complicated. But I love the language. So beautiful. And, I think it'd be cool to walk around and no one would know what you were saying lol :)

Title: Re:Studying Middle-Earth languages
Post by: myFrodo on June 21, 2011, 02:10:08 am

It would be interesting to learn Elvish!!. :)


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