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Title: HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Miss ANna on August 22, 2003, 12:07:46 pm

i hope this isnt allready a topic! i have to say i read The hobbit and LOTR after HP and i lost so much respect for JK rowling because there were so many things that felt like they were straight out of LORT ir. the forbiden forest - mirkwood, the giant spiders! and thats all i can think of for now he he eh!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on August 22, 2003, 12:12:18 pm

Harry Potter, hands down.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Raiwen on August 22, 2003, 12:14:09 pm

LOTR definately. Better written, more interesting, no annoying 12 year old children...

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HobbitFancier on August 22, 2003, 02:47:53 pm

I can't choose.. I mean, Tolkien was a genius, and LotR is one of the best trilogies I have ever (and will ever) read. His writing is so detailed real; it really pulls you into the story, and makes you believe that hobbits and elves and Middle-Earth really do exist!

But on the other hand, Ms. Rowling has her own unique and wonderful style of writing, as well. True, her stories are not as in-depth and detailed, but they are still amazing, and full of adventure. The wizarding world in her stories comes alive for readers, too!

I feel in no way that JKR copied or borrowed any ideas from Tolkien. And if she did, I'm sure it was totally subconciously. There are some themes in fantasy stories that are just always present, no matter what. And therefore, I cannot possibly choose which stories I like best!!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Galadriel on August 22, 2003, 02:50:33 pm

I agree with Manda. ;)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: SolskjaersGirl on August 22, 2003, 03:02:20 pm

[quote author=HobbitFancier link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg329248 date=1061578073]
I can't choose.. I mean, Tolkien was a genius, and LotR is one of the best trilogies I have ever (and will ever) read. His writing is so detailed real; it really pulls you into the story, and makes you believe that hobbits and elves and Middle-Earth really do exist![/quote]

That's right. I find I agree too. Might I add, that LOTR is a literary feat. Don't forget that Tolkien was a professor of language, he's literary and detailed. It's such a dense novel, but really intriguing.


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But on the other hand, Ms. Rowling has her own unique and wonderful style of writing, as well. True, her stories are not as in-depth and detailed, but they are still amazing, and full of adventure. The wizarding world in her stories comes alive for readers, too!


Yes, that's true, although not a literary as LOTR, JK Rowling should be credited for her brilliant ideas, esp for names and places. I feel also that you can't compare the two novels, HP appeals to a wider mass of readers, adults and children alike. Look at how the books flew off the shelfs for the fifth book. LOTR also in a way, appeal to different readers. Some readers may not find Tolkien's style easy to read.

So, it's very difficult to compare, I think. Although the two tend to be compared inevitably, at times.






Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on August 22, 2003, 05:43:35 pm

[quote author=MysteriousMrWood link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg328984 date=1061568738]
Harry Potter, hands down.
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:-* I looovee you Mags! I voted the same. Harry Potter, but of course.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Isilmewende on August 22, 2003, 09:14:10 pm

i agree a little with Anna. aragog? come on!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Spaders55 on August 22, 2003, 10:14:17 pm

Lord of the Rings.
I read these books when I was right after I started high school, which was before Harry Potter even came out. And they really became special to me, and have been my favorites ever since.

I really like Harry Potter, but J.R.R. Tolkien had a writing style and creation that is really on a whole differant field than Rowling's work.
I think I will always have a huge amount of respect for Tolkien-he's so brilliant.
(And plus, if it weren't for him, there'd be no LOTR, and no LOTR movies-and how many people would honestly be posting here right now?)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Miss ANna on August 22, 2003, 10:56:55 pm

well i gotta say allthough i have way more respect for J R R Tolkien i enjoy reading Harry More because its an easier read and if im in the mood for a fantasy book you dont have to have the concentration for Harry. I think basicaly i love the LOTR books but i have to be really inspired or something to be able to concentrate when reading them! but i think Lotr will always have so much more respect because it has inspired so many stories since and it is still loved after so many years which is how i feel it should be!

well enough rambling from me!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Raiwen on August 23, 2003, 08:12:18 am

[quote author=Isilmewende link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg330049 date=1061601250]
i agree a little with Anna. aragog? come on!
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lol

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: dimsumpo on August 23, 2003, 08:29:35 am

can't decide.. if u want seriousness it's lotr, u want fun u need HP

fred and george rock !

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Raiwen on August 23, 2003, 08:45:58 am

you have a robbie avatar!! cool!!!! ;D

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on August 23, 2003, 09:20:22 am

[quote author=HoBBiTy link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg330997 date=1061641775]
fred and george rock !
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They do indeed 8)

I don't really like when HP and LotR are compared, though. They're two different stories, on completely different levels.. They both have their good points and bad - it all comes down to what you prefer, really..You can't say which one is the overall best... *shrug*

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: MysteriousMrWood on August 23, 2003, 01:06:20 pm

^^^ I agree. They are both totally different books. You really can't compare them at all.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lijlover16 on August 23, 2003, 01:14:52 pm

HP all the way! LOTR is a very amazing, imaginative series, but its just to darn hard to read. Besides, I can relate a lot more to harry than Frodo. Though, the movie are a completly different game all together: Harry Potter movies suck (no offence to most of the actors) and the LOTR trilogy, obviously, rules.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on August 23, 2003, 01:44:18 pm

[quote author=MysteriousMrWood link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg331463 date=1061658380]
^^^ I agree. They are both totally different books. You really can't compare them at all.
[/quote]
Thanks, Maggie. :) And also, just because Harry Potter came after LotR..doesn't mean that Rowling stole ideas from the books. Yes, it's quite possible that she was inspired by the trilogy (it's hard not to be, those are fantastic books), JUST as I'm sure Tolkien was inspired by other things whilst he was writing his books.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: aNoNymOuS on August 23, 2003, 02:34:39 pm

omg!everything is @ atie now harry potter 4, cant say 4 and lotr 4!!!!!!i voted for lord of the rings.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: aNoNymOuS on August 23, 2003, 02:35:36 pm

not atie* its and*...sorry i got to check the way i spell things. LOL

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HobbitFancier on August 23, 2003, 03:16:20 pm

I've already posted, but I shall do so again. Lol, as has been said, there's really no comparison to be had between these books..

Tolkien wrote on such a different level then Rowling does.. I mean, he created a whole different world, a whole new history.. heck, even multiple new languages! Sure, Rowling is still amazing in her own rights, but in my opinion, no one will ever be able to compare to Tolkien in fantasy writing. Never.

And though I don't see how these books can be compared, sicne they're both awesome and totally different series, they always, inevitably will be. Oh well, it's just something we'll have to live with! Lol. Go LotR. Go Harry. Yay.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Jen-Jen_Hobbit on August 24, 2003, 02:24:48 pm

I found the plot of lotr all scattered. HP was much easier to follow and far more interesting. No offence to almighty tolkien!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: kaleb on August 26, 2003, 07:06:47 pm

...i could have sworn i made a post on this thread last night... ??? *shrugs*

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: amarie5 on August 26, 2003, 10:16:03 pm

I love them both, but I do like LOTR better... :)
It is definately true though that you can't compare them, the fact that they are both fantasy books is the only thing they really have in common.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Chrysanthemus on September 03, 2003, 05:00:48 pm

[quote author=amarie5 link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=15#msg339936 date=1061950563]
I love them both, but I do like LOTR better... :)
It is definately true though that you can't compare them, the fact that they are both fantasy books is the only thing they really have in common.
[/quote]

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: DreamyCloud on September 05, 2003, 01:57:01 pm

hmmm...book-wise i prefer HP, but film-wise i like LOTR :)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Miriel on September 05, 2003, 02:52:48 pm

Come on people, Harry Potter is a childrens book. you can't possibly compare it to LotR. Its a totally different genre. I enjoyed Harry Potter. Joanne Rowling is a great writer, very educated too. I noticed the similarities with LotR but I don't think she did it consciously. tolkien also drew on existing legend and myth, Rowling is free to use that too. Joanne must have read the Lord of the Rings once, since everyone has, especially someone with her interests and education. tolkiens creations are part of the standardd scala of myth and fairytale it must have subconsciously had influence on her writing.

So I agree with a lot of what you guys said.

Don't you dare to compare!
Bow to the Godfather of fanasy!!!!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: VadasNightmaere on September 09, 2003, 08:42:32 pm

Thanks Miriel, the voice of reason, finally!

Of course HP is easier to understand, it was written for children. Whereas LotR was Tolkiens' attempt at creating a book of mythology for England.

HP is based around the trials of an 11-15 year old boy and a few of his friends. LotR encompasses the troubles not only of the entire Middle Earth world, but if you take the other books Tolkien has written, The world of Middle Earth throughout the ages.

There's no comparison.

And as for Rowling, she has really let fame get to her, GoF wasn't even very well written, Any half decent fanfic I've read is better than it. The story was boring and predictable, a real let down.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on September 09, 2003, 10:08:36 pm

Just because "there's no comparison" does not mean that one is better than the other.. As many have said - other than some interesting coincidences, LotR and HP are not similar to one another. The books are on completely different levels and each have their strong points as well as weak points. But I'm wondering.. How can you say one book is better than the other if there's nothing to compare the two? It all comes down to personal opinion as to what you prefer, really.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: VadasNightmaere on September 10, 2003, 04:31:26 am

Sorry, you misunderstood, let me explain.

I wasn't comparing them, there is no comparison. I like both (not including GoF) for different reasons, I just hate them getting compared.

I should have written that I agreed with you too, but I must have skipped some posts :-\


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I don't really like when HP and LotR are compared, though. They're two different stories, on completely different levels.. They both have their good points and bad - it all comes down to what you prefer, really..You can't say which one is the overall best... *shrug*


You summed it up there, I don't know how I missed it.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Miss ANna on September 10, 2003, 07:55:09 am

just wanna say... i cant remember why i started this thread but i think i am more interested in which you prefer to read... in a sense they are uncompareable but they do fall into the same genre and you can still compare books even if they have no relevance to eachother! (ie. i like tommorow when the war began better than harry potter ... this isnt my personal oppinion btw just an example) i dont think people need to be takeing offence to these being compared - the movies came out, they are both screenplays adapted from books and they are both in the same genre so i think in that respect they will allways be compared and it is fair to ask your oppinion!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Miriel on September 10, 2003, 08:35:10 am

If you ask me what I prefer to read, without saying that one book is better than the other, i'd pick LotR anyday.

Hi Vadas! Haven't seen you around for a long time!

*whispers* Oh, and I'm gonna say it anyway. I think the Lord is better. ;D *runs out*

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: VadasNightmaere on September 10, 2003, 06:45:00 pm

Ok, well if you're asking what we prefer, and we're talking movies, it's LotR no question, Tom Felton couldn't even save HP.

With the books, I don't have a favourite, it just depends what I feel like reading, and if I want to cry or not ;)

To Miriel, yeah... I've been pretty busy with uni lately, but I still like to check in here and see what the goss is ;D

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: eLijAhZpuMpKiNlOvE on September 11, 2003, 03:23:28 am

[quote author=Raiwen link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=0#msg328987 date=1061568849]
LOTR definately. Better written, more interesting, no annoying 12 year old children...
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^ i agree ;)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: nathie on September 11, 2003, 01:26:37 pm

Actually I cant decide.. I like both.
For me each of them has their special thing..
Tho about the story.. i like LOTR better

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Seiko_Elijah on September 14, 2003, 11:32:37 am

I prefer the Harry Potter books, definetly, but the films for HP weren't as good, although it was just as I imagined it to be.
However, I like the LOTR films more than the books! JRR Tolkein was indeed a genious, but i got bored of reading them because I had seen the films so many times.

So HP gets my vote.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: XoLuthieloX on September 14, 2003, 06:41:10 pm

Lord of the Rings without question. 8)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: elijahfan12 on September 15, 2003, 10:04:18 pm

I chose Lord of The Rings but Harry POtter still is gd tho 8)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: miranda_xxxkiss on September 16, 2003, 01:15:28 pm

of course LOTR!!!! Tolkien is a genius!!! HP is for children.. It's nice 2 read... but not interesting enough... do you understand?

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on September 16, 2003, 04:30:34 pm

[quote author=miranda_xxxkiss link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=30#msg364002 date=1063732528]
HP is for children.. It's nice 2 read... but not interesting enough...
[/quote]
:o I resent that....

And I find it plenty interesting, and less tedious than LOTR. That's just my opinion, of course.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Menalie on September 16, 2003, 04:35:34 pm

Id say LOTR i have nothing against HP but some of the similarities to LOTR and the Hobbit are scary and then JKR goes to say its all original...hmmmm...So LOTR

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: LunaHobbit on September 19, 2003, 08:34:41 pm

well if i have to choose i vote for LOTR but let's keep in mind that Harry Potter's story is still not finished. There are still 2 more volumes to go and we cannot compare it to another that it's already finished.

oh, and HP is not about "12 year old annoying children" >:( just my opinion.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: hobbit_princess on September 21, 2003, 08:42:30 am

LOTR is my fave..onli cos i havent read HP yet!!
LOTR is amazing!!! How he came up with characters names, and themes is spellbinding!!!! :o

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: WalkingFairy on September 25, 2003, 07:03:25 pm

I like Harry Potter and LOTR the same I think. Well, here's the thing: I like the HP books more than the movies, and I like the LOTR movies more than the books. I dunno, that's just me.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: ElWood_Crazy on September 25, 2003, 09:18:42 pm

lotr all the way, but the hp books were nice too, though they dont even belong on the same bookshelf with anything that Tolkien ever layed hands on ( no offence to HP lovers, this is, after all, only my opinion) HP are nice, but they ..... just .....arent ..... LOTR!!!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: ElwoodsBird on September 25, 2003, 09:55:44 pm

I honestly dont see how you can compare these two books. Just because they are written so differently.

There are similarities in the stories but as books they are written in way different time periods and stuff.

I think they are both GREAT in their own ways. I Honestly think i enjoy Harry Potter more sometimes, but this is because I am stupid and can understand it better than LotR.

I love LotR alot, but I ifound it difficult to read sometimes, and had to re-read the same sentence so many times to get it.

It makes me feel stupid but That's how it is.

Laura

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: ElwoodsBird on September 25, 2003, 09:59:33 pm

[quote author=~_*¤«||ToXiC||~_*¤« link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=30#msg369367 date=1064148150]
LOTR is my fave..onli cos i havent read HP yet!!
LOTR is amazing!!! How he came up with characters names, and themes is spellbinding!!!! :o
[/quote]

Agreed, But it's also so awesome how JkR wrote the HP books, they are deeper than they seem, and the mythology is just amazing, and all the predictions for the story wo uuld be so easy to get if you knew this stuff and didn't have to look it up.

She has some kind of meaning behind everything she writes. Its brilliant.

Laura

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: HerMajesty on September 26, 2003, 07:40:15 am

[quote author=ElWood_Crazy link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=30#msg373826 date=1064539122]
lotr all the way, but the hp books were nice too, though they dont even belong on the same bookshelf with anything that Tolkien ever layed hands on ( no offence to HP lovers, this is, after all, only my opinion) HP are nice, but they ..... just .....arent ..... LOTR!!!
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Of course it's not LotR! It's Harry Potter! I mean, seriously...no one has said "The literary techniques in Harry Potter are far more advanced than the writing styles of Tolkien", so I don't see why people are getting so worked up and saying "LotR is sooo much better! Harry Potter just doesn't compare!" Of course they don't compare - they're completely different books.

Just because you don't prefer Harry Potter, does not mean that it's not worthy of getting attention OR that its author is somehow 'below' Tolkien.

Title: Originality
Post by: curious bout efans on December 18, 2003, 12:48:30 am

I hate to burst the bubble of some LOTR fans, but really...I agree Tolkien is an extremely skilled writer who knows how to use the English language. But originality? COME ON!

I am a mythology NUT. Read Norse mythology. There are too many parallels. Gimli? Gandalf? Those are dwarves' names in the Eddas.

As for Rowling...Fluffy? Hello, that's totally Cerberus, the guard dog of Hades.

Both writers are fantastic. I like both books. Harry Potter is fun, LOTR is amazing. I couldn't decide which one I like better because I like both, just in different ways. And both writers borrow ideas.

There are not a lot of original ideas left in the world. What counts now is how you use them.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: raquel19 on May 16, 2008, 09:56:39 pm

I read HPOOTP all teh way to chapter 5 or 6 and got kinda bored it didnt really catch my attention much. For LOTR, it gotten me so much of my attention cause Tolkien worded like almost everything lol.( if you know what I mean ) :P. So, I am like more interested in the LOTR.
Also, I am reading the LOTR: The Two Towers myself. ahaha

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on May 17, 2008, 04:44:18 am

I'm afraid I voted Harry Potter. LOTR is all well and good, but the books are soooo long and I find them harder to get through and less enjoyable than HP> I can whizz through even the long HP books, you just can't put them down - but sometimes with LOTR, especially with the battle scenes, I find excuses to stop reading, lol!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: elizabeth coffey on May 17, 2008, 06:57:31 am

I voted lord of the rings as I haven't read harry potter..I found the second and third book hard to concentrate all way through though, so guessing hp is easier to read..

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Mai_o_ya on November 07, 2008, 12:29:57 pm

can't decide indeed, it like to compare between Roses and birds , both are fascinating, and hard to choose :-\

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Enara on November 11, 2008, 06:35:11 pm

[color=Blue]I voted for LOTR... no doubt about it. But I´d say that both the LOTR books and movies are much better than the HP ones.


:) [/color]

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Nutella Sister on November 13, 2008, 02:59:19 pm

I voted for Harry Potter. there's no doubt for methat LotR is not as good as Harry Potter! nothing can beat HP!! 8)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on November 14, 2008, 03:45:33 am

I voted "can't decide" as both books/series have their own strengths and weaknesses.

LOTR is amazing! Tolkien's use of the English language is second to none and he created some of the most interesting literary characters that have ever graced the pages of an epic fantasy! :o :)

However, sometimes I found it heavy going, unwieldy and yes... a tad boring in parts. :-[

Harry Potter on the other hand is a much "easier" read, and JK Rowling uses humour and a "lighter touch" to great effect :D (At least in the first few books, geared for children as they were.)

After book 4, the series gets darker, more wordy, but infinitely more gripping! The writing techniques JK uses in the last book are a bit irritating imho, but I'll forgive her because as far as the intricacy of the plot goes... I believe Ms Rowling to be every bit the genius that Tolkien was. :)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Kathi on November 14, 2008, 10:17:49 am

[quote author=maryd link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=45#msg1151657 date=1211013858]
LOTR is all well and good, but the books are soooo long and I find them harder to get through and less enjoyable than HP> I can whizz through even the long HP books, you just can't put them down - but sometimes with LOTR, especially with the battle scenes, I find excuses to stop reading, lol!
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It's the same for me. I love both, but sometimes the landscapes descriptions and battle scenes in LOTR are a bit tiring, where I can hardly put HP down when I start. I guess it also has something to so with the reader's age...maybe I'll read LOTR again and I'll enjoy it even more.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on November 14, 2008, 11:59:46 am

[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=45#msg1170901 date=1226652333]
The writing techniques JK uses in the last book are a bit irritating imho, but I'll forgive her because as far as the intricacy of the plot goes...
[/quote]

Irritating? How do you mean? I'm not getting defensive or anything, just curious. :)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: elizabeth coffey on November 14, 2008, 04:12:11 pm

LOTR as they the only books I have read. Only seen HP films. ::)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lorienel on November 15, 2008, 01:18:51 am

I have read almost every Middle-Earth and Aman related Tolkien book out there and I'm studying elvish every now and then. (Crazy LotR nerds: grin now.) ;D I'm not sure exactly why but I like the beauty and mystery about it. Even if you don't understand it, it still sounds graceful.

LotR fan base has lasted half a century as well so without a doubt it's not over yet for a very long time because it has lasted this far. It has fans from several generations which is fun.

I did read Harry Potter book once. I liked it but I did'nt really get hooked as well as I got hooked to LotR. But I got to respect Harry Potter. The readers have grown with him. I don't know what waits for it in the future but I wish all the fans good times with it.

But my vote is clear: I go for LotR.

Epessenyë Lorienel, elvëa núro mí Endor. :)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on November 15, 2008, 05:57:51 am

[quote author=maryd link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=45#msg1170910 date=1226681986]
[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=45#msg1170901 date=1226652333]
The writing techniques JK uses in the last book are a bit irritating imho, but I'll forgive her because as far as the intricacy of the plot goes...
[/quote]

Irritating? How do you mean? I'm not getting defensive or anything, just curious. :)
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Hehe Mary... we could have a big debate via PM on this subject ;), but for now I'll just give you one example of the sort of thing I mean:

I found that in the Deathly Hallows JK Rowling often "cuts off" much of the dialogue mid-sentence, especially when the characters are surprised or angry. I realise that this is a valid method of writing dialogue, but imho it should be utilised sparingly for effect and not simply inserted into the text with monotonous regularity! ::)

Ex: "According to you," Vernon Dursley said now, resuming his pacing up and down the living room, "we - Petunia, Dudley and I - are in danger. From - from - " .....

"Don't you dare -!" squealed Aunt Petunia. .....

"You claim," said Uncle Vernon, starting to pace again, "that this Lord Thing -"

"Voldemort," said Harry impatiently, "and we've been through this about a hundred times already. This isn't a claim, it's a fact, Dumbledore told you last year, and Kingsley and Mr Weasley - "

^^^ And this all happens in LESS than one page of the book! :P

And the above aren't the only examples. As I've said, unfinished sentences like these occur again and again, becoming predictable, annoying and slightly difficult to read, especially when being read ALOUD. As I am currently reading DH to my daughter Charlotte, it's even more obvious, although I had noticed it on my initial reading more than a year ago.

It almost looks as if Rowling was writing with "movie script" in the forefront of her mind, rather than the flowing style a reader would hope from a great last-of-a-series novel. Not that JK Rowling is particularly noted for her lyrical prose, but imo the style of DH departs markedly from the previous six books. Naturally the story is heavier and more plot-laden, but need the writing-style also be so clunky?



Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on November 15, 2008, 06:21:44 am

^ Thanks for replying - you know, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. From the extract, though, I think it helps the story move fast - unlike Tolkien, JKR doesn't go overboard with detail - she's a storyteller and the story comes fast, and that's the reason for all the interrupted speech, IMO.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on November 15, 2008, 06:34:53 am

Yes, I agree, the story sure moves a damn sight faster than LOTR, but if you enjoy reading a story, not just for the plot, but also to savour language in its written form, then DH isn't gonna cut it!

BUT... I still loved it, that's why I've read it 3 times and am now reading it to Charlotte. :-[ It's just that I find I can't just "read" it aloud, I almost have to "act" it out (complete with different accents would you believe... I've almost perfected Hermione's sarcastic haughty, permanently terrified tone lol! ;))

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on November 15, 2008, 06:36:18 am

^ haha, the accents are a must. :P

I appreciate what you're saying, that LOTR has gone further that HP in using lyrical language etc.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on November 15, 2008, 06:51:35 am

I can do a spot-on Hagrid too ;D

JK Rowling is obviously extremely knowledgeable when it comes to myths, legends and folklore though, and the foresight and planning that went into the HP series is incredible!

What I mean by this is, it's obvious when reading the later books, say from GOF onwards, that the smallest, seemingly insignificant character names and details in the first books were all purposeful additions from the "get go"... i.e. Every layer of detail is ultimately revealed to have a reason for its inclusion. So for this I give JK props 8)... What a mind!

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Poopsmith on February 13, 2009, 04:39:50 pm

This is a toss up for me. While LOTR is much more eloquent and expansive, Harry Potter just tickles my fancy in a way that makes me read it over and over... It's also written for a younger group of people, so it's easier to read.

Henceforth, I prefer to read Harry Potter and watch Lord of the Rings.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Hobbitsan on February 13, 2009, 06:07:01 pm

there is no way HP beats LOTR even if its the last book on earth people will still go 'now lord of the rings, there was a book!'
JK -sell my soul- rowling cant write action or scary moments for toffee so that doesnt help the books at all! the films are the only good past no. 3 and im not going to bother with no. 7/8 as i HATED the last book and see no reason why i cant be put into one film.
LOTR is just one of the classics, like Narnia and the Bible...
there is so much more detail on everything in middle earth! how it was created, what came before, how magic came to the land, the elves, Men, Hobbits, its so expansive and detailed its like reading a travel guide to the place! thats what keeps the 'magic' of the book alive to fans. you can totally escape into the world, HP you can touch on the surface. its all about Harry and his predictable life story.
plus i think HP has a certain target age in mind... and it aint old. not saying thats bad, but it just means that past a certain age the fanbase dwindles. i have loads of books from childhood i read, LOTR being one of them, that i re-read, but HP i wouldnt bother going over it again.

good topic by the way! theres been so much of this between alot of my friends so i can share with you lot now :D

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on February 14, 2009, 05:00:49 am

Interesting reply Dan - I really like this topic. :)

[quote author=Danny~desu link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175624 date=1234566421]
LOTR is just one of the classics, like Narnia and the Bible...
[/quote]

I hate Narnia. And I don't think somehow I'll ever sit down and read the Bible.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Hobbitsan on February 15, 2009, 05:36:23 pm

you should. given it forms a religious belief system, it can be a really good story book. but i feel Im going off topic...

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: jen10 on February 15, 2009, 06:59:46 pm

i read the bible a little...i really didn't get it. :P ::)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on February 16, 2009, 07:36:36 am

[quote author=Danny~desu link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175624 date=1234566421]
there is no way HP beats LOTR even if its the last book on earth people will still go 'now lord of the rings, there was a book!'
JK -sell my soul- rowling cant write action or scary moments for toffee so that doesnt help the books at all! the films are the only good past no. 3 and im not going to bother with no. 7/8 as i HATED the last book and see no reason why i cant be put into one film.
LOTR is just one of the classics, like Narnia and the Bible...
there is so much more detail on everything in middle earth! how it was created, what came before, how magic came to the land, the elves, Men, Hobbits, its so expansive and detailed its like reading a travel guide to the place! thats what keeps the 'magic' of the book alive to fans. you can totally escape into the world, HP you can touch on the surface. its all about Harry and his predictable life story.
plus i think HP has a certain target age in mind... and it aint old. not saying thats bad, but it just means that past a certain age the fanbase dwindles. i have loads of books from childhood i read, LOTR being one of them, that i re-read, but HP i wouldnt bother going over it again.

good topic by the way! theres been so much of this between alot of my friends so i can share with you lot now :D
[/quote]

Ah Dan! Such controversial views, hehe ::) ;D

No, but seriously, I take "umbridge" (inside HP-world joke ;)) at your claim that... to paraphrase your good self... JK Rowling can't write suspense/dramatic moments for s*** :o 8) :-X) and also at the implication that the series can't really hold the interest of more "mature" readers.

As an older chick, I've read LOTR, HP, the entire Bible and also the first two books in the Narnia series, and I've enjoyed them all, for different reasons and to varying degrees.

Narnia didn't really grab me, though "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" was quite enjoyable and I've seen both movies...

I ADORE both the book AND movie versions of LOTR, and also love the Harry Potter book series, though to be honest Dan I also found the first half of "Deathly Hallows" pretty boring/irritatingly written. :P (see my earlier posts in this thread)...

IMO, there are some problems with JK's writing-style, and issues of originality, but this can be said about many a famous writer's work, Tolkien included. Still, I wouldn't miss the DH movie/s for the world! :-[ ::) ;)

History will be the judge of course, but IMHO JK Rowling will be acknowledged for many years to come as an author of classic fantasy literature, alongside Messrs Lewis and Tolkien.


Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Camila_Wood on February 16, 2009, 05:06:13 pm

Well, both created different worlds, but I do rather LotR, definately. I think it is written is better, and the development of the characters is much, much better.

I'm a little bitter towards Rowlin, because I think there are some fine characters she could have put in the story in such different ways and they would make the story so much richer, but she didn't. And what also bothers me is that on her speech (in interviews and such), she kinda tells everyone how she wants you to read the book: for example, she already said that she loves Sirius and that it was super hard to kill him, and said that Snape is truly a horrible person and that she did him with a teacher that she hated in mind. You see, that is the way she wrote it, doesn't mean I have to read it that way, but it seems she doesn't think like that. I, for instance, think that Sirius and Snape have a lot more in commom than she even realises. ;-) I think it's wrong for a writer to tell his public how to read their book, you know? Makes it less fun.

Also, I didn't like the last HP book... it was too rushed, not as deep as I thought it could be, and kinda predictable. A book with a bad end is always a turn off for me.

I think I said too much. LMAO!

Anyway, I have my problems with Rowlin, but I love HP nonetheless. I definately love MUCH more the LotR trilogy, though.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Mai_o_ya on February 16, 2009, 05:07:54 pm

I liked all the reviews up :)

but what i got from what you said Dan...that you really don't like HP series that much ;)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on February 16, 2009, 06:40:58 pm

[quote author=Cam Miss Bloom link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175978 date=1234821973]
I'm a little bitter towards Rowlin, because I think there are some fine characters she could have put in the story in such different ways and they would make the story so much richer, but she didn't. [/quote]

Just interested in which characters you think could have been developed further Cam? In my opinion, Lupin is one of those, but if I thought about it longer I'm sure I'd come up with more.

Oh yeah, I thought she'd do more with Aunt Petunia... she explored this a bit in OotP and DH, but IMHO she could have gone a lot further.


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And what also bothers me is that on her speech (in interviews and such), she kinda tells everyone how she wants you to read the book: for example, she already said that she loves Sirius and that it was super hard to kill him, and said that Snape is truly a horrible person and that she did him with a teacher that she hated in mind. You see, that is the way she wrote it, doesn't mean I have to read it that way, but it seems she doesn't think like that. I, for instance, think that Sirius and Snape have a lot more in commom than she even realises. ;-) I think it's wrong for a writer to tell his public how to read their book, you know? Makes it less fun.


I have to disagree with you here. ^ When anyone is interviewed, including JK Rowling, they are being asked for their personal opinion, and I feel they have the right to express it. JK created the world of HP, and so naturally she'll have her own opinions on each of the characters, her favourites, and so forth... It doesn't mean she's TELLING anyone else how to read her books.

SPOILER ALERT!!!

In one interview for DH for example, she said she gave one character a "reprieve" from fictional death (Mr Weasley I believe) because she couldn't bear to kill him off... but her saying that didn't make ME feel the same way! Not to sound heartless, but it honestly wouldn't have bothered me if she'd killed off Mr Weasley, (at least no more than many other characters she DID give the axe!) :-X

I also disagree that she didn't realise the similarities between Sirius and Snape. In fact, IMO she addresses the similarities indirectly (through Dumbledore's observations/pensieve scenes etc), but this will take too long to discuss fully here, and is a bit off topic, lol! :P ;)


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Also, I didn't like the last HP book... it was too rushed, not as deep as I thought it could be, and kinda predictable. A book with a bad end is always a turn off for me.


^ This is where I agree with you Cam. I really didn't enjoy the first half of DH... I kept waiting for something to happen that I could sink my teeth into, it seemed to drag and was quite badly written. BUT the ending was just wonderful as far as I'm concerned! :D


Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Camila_Wood on February 16, 2009, 07:38:00 pm

[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175989 date=1234827658]Just interested in which characters you think could have been developed further Cam? In my opinion, Lupin is one of those, but if I thought about it longer I'm sure I'd come up with more.

Oh yeah, I thought she'd do more with Aunt Petunia... she explored this a bit in OotP and DH, but IMHO she could have gone a lot further.[/quote]
Lupin is definately one! The Malfoys are other, especially since she seemed to put Draco closer to the spotlight on the fifth book but then thought better of it and didn't developt it much, at least not as much as I thought she would.


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It doesn't mean she's TELLING anyone else how to read her books.

For someone like you and me, who understand what reading is all about and who can create an opnion of their own, it truly doesn't compromise the reading. But I do think that for the youger ages, the children, that used to read all her books, it gets a bit complicated seeing the woman who created all that saying Snape is aweful and don't agree.

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Lanta the Gemstar on February 16, 2009, 08:23:25 pm

[quote author=Cam Miss Bloom link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175996 date=1234831080]
[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1175989 date=1234827658]Just interested in which characters you think could have been developed further Cam? In my opinion, Lupin is one of those, but if I thought about it longer I'm sure I'd come up with more.

Oh yeah, I thought she'd do more with Aunt Petunia... she explored this a bit in OotP and DH, but IMHO she could have gone a lot further.[/quote]
Lupin is definately one! The Malfoys are other, especially since she seemed to put Draco closer to the spotlight on the fifth book but then thought better of it and didn't developt it much, at least not as much as I thought she would.[/quote]

IMO she expanded Draco and his family's roles/characters in Book 6, but dropped the ball with the Malfoy family in Book 7 just when it would have been good to see their personalities and motivations developed more. :P


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It doesn't mean she's TELLING anyone else how to read her books.

[quote]For someone like you and me, who understand what reading is all about and who can create an opnion of their own, it truly doesn't compromise the reading. But I do think that for the youger ages, the children, that used to read all her books, it gets a bit complicated seeing the woman who created all that saying Snape is aweful and don't agree.
[/quote]

I DO see your point with impressionable young readers, but I hardly think it's Jk's fault that ppl are so fascinated by every aspect of her books that they demand interviews and more, more, more information into the characters etc.

Minor spoiler:

As for Snape, I think JK makes it pretty clear that Snape is in fact NOT all bad, but that he does have a... how shall I put this(?)... "unfortunate" personality. ::) IMO the books seem to illustrate the moral that people can be vivacious and socially "popular" like James and Sirius, and still not be perfect saints... and conversely, people may be uptight or petty, like Snape, but still have a brilliant mind and be heroic in other less obvious ways.

JK knows that her world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters ;), just as ours isn't black and white.


Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: Camila_Wood on February 16, 2009, 09:57:16 pm

[quote author=The Gemstar link=board=17;threadid=10403;start=60#msg1176000 date=1234833805]

IMO she expanded Draco and his family's roles/characters in Book 6, but dropped the ball with the Malfoy family in Book 7 just when it would have been good to see their personalities and motivations developed more. :P[/quote]
You're totally right, I'm sorry! I totally said that books wrong. Yeah, she developed well on the sixth, but then didn't in the seventh! Sorry, my mistake! =P

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: LijFrodo on February 17, 2009, 11:20:14 am

This isn't a hard question for me ... I always prefer LOTR ... ::)

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: jen10 on February 17, 2009, 01:59:41 pm

i don't really read hp. i read lotr and it was great. i watched both stories though. i have to say, i prefer lotr. ;D

Title: Re:HP Vs LOTR
Post by: maryd on February 18, 2009, 12:46:45 pm

RE: JKR's interviews - she has written the books, she is entitled to tell us what she thought when she wrote them. If someone is reading the books and has formed their own impressions of how they want to read it, I doubt that what she says will change their minds.

Dan - RE reading the Bible....I'm not overly religious, so I'll miss that out, thanks. No offence intended in this comment. :)


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